Floyd Owns the UFC part 2

Boxing fans could be the dumbest ass people on the planet. Dana is right, the way boxing is run SUCKS ASS! The fans are sometimes so stupid that boxing can take the biggest fight it's had in years and tell the fans "NO, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU" and the fans all defend it. :::: I would love to see this take place in Football, Baseball, Basketball, etc. with let's say the Colts make it to the Superbowl and so do the Saints, the Colts say NO, the Saints are too dangerous and will not submit to my demands, we are going to play the Raiders instead. There's nothing wrong with loving the fights but hating the way it's run. Some of you guys are like jilted lovers when it comes to Dana.

 

Because it doesn't make sense to do it. Why put a PPV on the same night when many potential viewers might choose to watch the boxing PPV?

All I know is, Mayweather\Mosely better be a good fight, because if it's a stinker...which Mayweather is no stranger to...you'll never hear the end of it from Dana White, talking about how you get more value for your PPV dollar from the UFC.


TFK

 

And some of you guys are like wannabe lovers when it comes to Dana, ie - you.

What the fuck are you on about anyway you nonce? Who said they love the way boxing is run? Most of the fans on this forum love BOXING, the fights, the fighters, not the way it's run.

If you had a modicum of intelligence, you'd be able to work that bit out.

Do you see threads here enthusing about the way boxing is run? ::

Twat.

 

The ultimate test of which sport is the mac daddy would be 2 ppv.....same night.....Mayweather vs. Pacquiao for boxing....and the UFC event Brock vs. Fedor and GSP vs. Silva as the undercard...Pac vs. Mayweather will still outsell it...

 

The chances of it being a stinker are fucking high, which is why it's surprising Floyd is even a draw. I'm not exaggerating when I say I think a huge number of people tune in just in case he loses.

In regards to Dana, well the way I see it is back up your smacktalk.

It's almost like a boxer, talking shit about another boxer, talking about how they'd whup them, then backing out of the fight (Floyd :: ).

Dana obviously feels like UFC is better than boxing, and on the up, what better way to deal a heavy blow than go head to head against a big fight?

Sure it might hurt sales a bit, or he might lose, but that's all part of the fight game, in and out of the ring. Fighters have to take risks, and so do the guys that run things.

 

If the fights happened today, yeah, probably. But Fedor hasn't fought much in America, and is just starting to get recognized by the casual fan.

Hypothetically, lets say a year from now Fedor signs with the UFC. We'll assume he's fought and won 2 more times on CBS in the mean time. Between that exposure, and with UFC owning the Pride library he can really hype a Fedor\Brock match by showing all his dominating wins in Pride.

But now we're just playing 'what if?'.


TFK

 

Truthfully, there are only maybe two or three active boxers that will most likely outsell an average UFC PPV, and Mayweather is one of them. Why? I don't know, because like you said, it's amazing he's a draw. I think his selling point is his 0 in the loss column...which is why he's so protective of it.

Once Floyd loses a fight, I just can't see him being a major PPV attraction anymore.

Regardless, at this stage in the game, it doesn't make sense for UFC 113 to go against Mayweather\Mosely. There's a lot more to be gained by having the event a week later, especially if the fight stinks up the joint.

Then get ready for a huge 'I told you so!' from White.


TFK

 

What were the #'s when UFC ___ (the 1 in Dallas, Featuring Ace Franklin vs. Belfort) Went Head to Head w/Mayweather vs. Marquez???...



REED:kidcool:

 

Might???::...

If Mayweather-Marquez SHITTED on a UFC PPV Broadcast the Same Night (Which it DID), what Do U Think Mayweather vs. Mosley will Do???....
If Dana White WASN'T THREATENED By Boxing, he'd NEVER Reference which Combative Sport Gives MORE "Value for PPV Dollar"...& if YOU WEREN'T a UFC Nuthugging SHILL, U WOULDN'T Defend White's Every Action, INCLUDING His Bowel Movements...


REED:hammert:

 

The Guy is OBVIOUSLY Using an ALIAS...An Alias that FAVORS MMA Over Boxing, in Fact...Hmmmm???...Wonder who it Is???...



REED::

 

What's Comical is Dana White BITCHES about Boxing "Screwing" Fans & NOT Giving Us the BEST Possible Matchups, yet he's "FAILED MISERABLY" @ Trying to Get Fedor (MMA's BEST Fighter) to Fight in the UFC...

To Paraphrase Barry Bonds, "Clean Out YOUR OWN Closet 1st, THEN Clean Somebody Else's"....



REED:hammert:

 

:bears:

 

You're really blaming the UFC for that? Cause they didn't want to give M1 a percentage of the business they built? Come on REED, you are not this stupid. And then you quote Barry Bonds? The juicer of all juicers? wow

 

" Or, even better, I’ll put up a million dollars of my own money if Floyd Mayweather can sell more than 10 tickets without Oscar De La Hoya.â€￾
-Dana White

It's hilarious that he talked so much shit about Mayweather not being a draw but then won't go head to head with one of his fights.

 

It's just not possible for you to have an intelligent conversation, is it?


But for the benefit of the people who can have a discussion without bringing up bowel movements and hugging nuts, UFC 103, which went against the Mayweather\Marquez fight, did about 400,000 buys, which is excellent, considering it was up against Mayweather's comeback fight, and had a very weak main event (Franklin vs Belfort).

Like I said, there's probably 2 or 3 boxers who can outdraw an average UFC PPV, and Mayweather is one of them.

Bottom line is, it's a smart business move by the UFC to move the PPV ahead a week. Even more so if the Mayweather\Mosley fight is a stinker.


TFK

 

You really need to lay off of the Sizzurp.


TFK

 

REED is PERFECTLY Capable of having Intelligent Conversations, but it Takes 2 to Make that Happen...On that Note, Step YOUR Game Up...

Mayweather & Pac OBVIOUSLY Outdraw ANY UFC PPV...Match Cotto, Pavlik, Mosley, Hatton & Marquez with Elite Level Opponents & They Outdraw the Average UFC PPV's Too...Hell, 1nce the Super 6 Tournament Is Over, U'll B Able to ADD "2 or 3 Boxers" To the List of those that can Outdraw the Average UFC PPV as Well...

Obviously, U're ROOTING for Mayweather-Mosley to B a "Stinker", but that's to B EXPECTED of U...Bottom Line, when U Know UPFRONT that a Boxing Match will Wipe it's Ass w/your Projected UFC PPV Sales, it's a "Smart Business Move" to TAP OUT, as Opposed to Competing w/it...

That's what Dana White is Doing...

REED:hammert:

 

The HEAD of UFC Strokes his Own Ego about the "Quality" he Provides, yet he CANNOT Produce The TRUEST GOODS in MMA, Fedor???...Hmmmm???...



REED:hammert:

 

Pavlik, Hatton or Marquez have no chance of putting up UFC type PPV numbers on their own. The only time they ever drew any money is when they were opponants of a marquee fighter.

I'm trying to find the buyrate for the PPV last year that featured both Pavlik and Cotto, but can't find it anywhere, which leads me to believe the numbers aren't very high.

And you're wrong that Mayweather and Pac outdraw any UFC PPV. Mayweather\Hatton did what, 850,000 domestically? The Marquez fight did 1 Million buys. UFC's 91, 92 and 100 all did more than a million buys. If Manny and Floyd ever do fight each other, they'll probably do great numbers, but until that fight happens...if it ever does...it's pointless to talk about numbers.

The truth is, Floyd is boxing's biggest active PPV seller, and his PPV numbers without De La Hoya are at best equal to the numbers Brock Lesnar led PPV's have put up his last few fights.

But back to the point, if you think fighters like Pavlik, Hatton, Marquez, or any of the Super 6 fighters can sell PPV's on their own that will match the average UFC numbers, you're letting your love of boxing cloud your judgement in a big way.

TFK

 

Match Cotto, Pavlik, Mosley, Hatton & Marquez with Elite Level Opponents & They Outdraw the Average UFC PPV's Too...


Not Sure if U Caught the Highlighted Part in REED's Previous Post...UNLIKE "Some" Around Here, REED DOESN'T Allow a Preference for a Particular Combative Sport to Cloud his Posts...

Anyways, Mayweather-Hatton was OVER 2 Years Ago...REED is Speaking of RIGHT NOW, TODAY...Mayweather AND Pacquiao will OUTDRAW ANY UFC PPV by THEMSELVES...Dana White would have to Put an ABSURD Amount of UFC Talent on ONE Card to Compete w/ANY Mayweather or Pacquiao PPV...But White WON'T Do that, Because he'd Then have a String of PPV's DEVOID of his Elite Talents...

So Floyd's PPV #'s R EQUAL To Brock's???::...Brock's Highest Selling PPV was a STACKED Card, which Also had GSP on it...AND it Featured Brock N a RE Against a Guy that BEAT him, Not to Mention it was the Celebratory 100th Show...Put Brock Against Gabriel Gonzaga, w/an Average UFC Undercard & those #'s WON'T Approach Mayweather's...Sorry....

Floyd vs. Manny will DEFINITELY Outsell ANY UFC PPV...It's COMICAL that the MOST U Can Allow Yourself to Admit is that it "Probably" Will...



REED::

 

So in other words, they need an elite opponent to be a draw. Which means they aren't draws on their own. Which means you haven't made any kind of point.

Man....if I were the type to post smiley faces, I'd put a couple dozen of them here.

That's assuming Pac\Floyd will ever be made. And just curious, what kind of numbers do you think a Floyd\Pac fight would do? Do you think they'd be better than Floyd\Oscar? UFC 100 did over 1.7 Million. Do you think it's a guarantee that it does better than that?

And as far as putting a lot of talent on a UFC card, that's what happens on most UFC PPV's. Look at the matchups for UFC's 110-113, they're pretty stacked.

Again, the UFC always tries to stack their cards. It doesn't always happen, but most of their cards have several solid fights. And as far as putting Brock in against Gonzaga....why do that? That would be the equivalent of Manny Pacquiao fighting someone like a Joshua Clottey, it just doesn't make any sense when there are bigger, better fights out there for him.


TFK

 

We can talk numbers all day... the fact is, when boxing produces something big, cage fighting (:) can't hang.

Seriously, who wants to watch two southern gentlemen grind each other in a cage for 15 minutes?

 

Let it go, man. Let it go.


TFK

 

I've been into and have loved boxing since 1970 proving I love the sport of boxing more than any one boxer and always prefer a good boxing match to a good UFC match. I've seen a very very slim amount of boxing fans on ANY forum, but have seen MANY fanboys of certain boxers on all of them
I'm slowly losing interest in boxing because of ducking bozo's and politicians like Roy Jones, Bernard Hopkins, and Floyd Mayweather while these fanboys put them on plateau's that they do not belong

Boxing is declining slowly, ignore the truth if you like and you can brag about the numbers one or two PPV's do a year if you'd like. But I'm curious, how is amateur boxing doing? Is it better now than 10 years ago? 20 years ago? How about the professional boxing talent pool, are there more interested and talented boxers now than 10 years ago? 20 years ago? 30 years ago? or are they headed to other sports?

UFC is run better than boxing
UFC gives you the fights fans want
Dana does a better job than Arum and King combined
Dana is I'm sure an asshole just like Arum and King but he at least remotely cares about the fans and try's to give them what they want

Some of you people I swear, now I know why boxing can do what it does, it's 'supposed' fans don't mind getting raped. If fans would demand more, they would get more, it's a little something called "supply and demand", ever hear of it?

 

Who gives a fuck who is doing more PPV's anyways? Obviously neither sport is going away any time soon and neither are making me rich. Just watch and enjoy them.

 

Which Means they're @ WORST, ON PAR w/the UFC's BIGGEST Draws, NONE of whom have Singlehandedly CARRIED a PPV Either (Brock Lesnar Most Certainly HASN'T)...The FACT is, Put ANY of the Aforemetioned in w/an ELITE Opponent (w/a SHITTY Undercard) & They'll OUTDRAW an Average UFC PPV (w/a Stacked Undercard) the Vast Majority of the Time...

THAT's the Point REED was Making, but Since there's Apparently NOT MUCH btwn your Ears, the Point Entered in 1 & Came Right Out of the Other...

Pac vs. Floyd will B the BIGGEST PPV Ever...& Much to YOUR MMA Dismay, it WILL Eventually Happen...

By Faaaaaaaaaar, UFC 100 was the Most Successful MMA PPV...It'll Likely Take Until UFC 200 to MATCH that 1...



REED:hammert:

 

REED has NO Problem w/Doing That...But TFK CAN'T Control Himself...ANYTIME MMA or UFC (Dana White in Particular) Gets Portrayed in LESS than a Flattering Light on the Boxing Forum, TFK Flies in All Menstrual, w/his Chest Sticking Out & ' Lil' Dana ' Written Across, to Save the MMA Day....



REED:mj:

 

U'd Actually ADD MERIT to your Points if U DIDN'T Type them Using your ALIAS...



REED:boohoo: