Mayweather hesitating with Mosley

:shit:

 

Floyd ACTIVELY Tried to Face BOTH Freitas & Casamayor @ 130...Back in those Days, Floyd would LITERALLY Fight "Anybody, Anywhere, Anytime"...By the Time Floyd Got to 140, Tszyu was Getting BEATEN by Hatton...

Corley was STILL a "Threat" when Floyd Faced him, in his 1st Bout @ 140, No Less...



REED:mj:

 

Uhh, no. He was never a threat. To nobody.
Unless by threat you mean that he hurt both PBF and Cotto with good shots for about 2 seconds. However, if you mean he was a perceived threat to actually beat Floyd Mayweather I find that very hard to believe.

 

this will vindicate Pacquiao !!! it shows PBF is a coward.

 

Agreed!

 

Ooooh. PBF took on Corley for his first fight at 140. Wow!

 

you guys are forgetting about Arturo Gatti

 

I totally agree.

It seem odd, but I was a sort of Floyd fan at 130/135. I used to show fights of his to people to get them into boxing, because I admired his skill/talent etc, and a lot of his performances were pretty impressive back then.

The fact is though, since Castillo he has only fought one person who was considered a threat - Oscar.

Nobody in their right mind picked Corley to beat Floyd.

Corrales was an incredible performance, but you realise he only started calling Chico out RIGHT after Chico said he was weight drained, and wasn't going to fight at 130 again right? And that his next fight was going to be at 135?

Guess what weight Floyd wanted the fight at, 130 ::

After arguably losing to Castillo, Floyd hasn't really taken any chances. He's protected his undefeated record, and really just been in it for the money.

Even against Oscar, he didn't fight like someone who had something to prove, or who wanted to impress, make a statement etc, he fought like someone who was protecting his record, he took no risks at all.

I can't think of any other boxer as skilled/talented as Floyd, who has had as much of a reluctance to challenge himself and prove his greatness.

For as much shit as Roy got, he proved himself and challenged himself more than Floyd has, AND, Floyd has had far more challenges available in his weight classes than Roy.

 

Well, perhaps you, and Fraud-groupies, have more in common, than you realise.

 

Corley was 28-2 Coming Into that Fight, Floyd's FIRST Fight @ 140...It's NOT like Floyd was All that Dominant @ 135, so the Idea of him Moving UP to '40 & Fighting a Former World Champion Seemed Risky AT THE TIME...

Sure, it's EASY to Whip Out the HINDSIGHT Goggles & Conclude that Corley WASN'T Much of a Threat (Despite HURTING Floyd as Badly as ANYBODY EVER Has in his Professional Career) NOW, But Coming Into the Fight, he Most Certainly Was...



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Corley, Zab & Hatton were ALL "Threats" that Floyd has Faced, Post-Castillo...It's NOT as if those Bouts were Viewed as MISMATCHES Beforehand...



REED:mj:

 

Hatton had some cache being undefeated, Judah was at least a different look for Floyd given his handspeed although the outcome was much very much expected-at least on these boards, but Corley was not a threat - he had shown enough in the Judah loss that he wasn't at the highest level, that he could be outslicked by a class operator, plus the fact that despite having solid power he was a rotten finisher as evident from the Julio/Bailey fights - a good fighter to acclimatise to 140 for an elite fighter but not a significant threat

 

Perhaps not mismatches no, but they weren't genuine challenges.

Even Floyd haters wouldn't have really thought any of those 3 would beat Floyd.

Also, I completely disagree about Corley.

Some people picked Zab/Hatton to beat Floyd, but I don't remember anyone seriously picking Corley to beat Floyd.

Quite simply, Corley has never been considered that good, he's never been considered an elite fighter.

 

Floyd never actively sought out Freitas and Casamayor or Tszyu for that matter.

 

YES he Did...


REED:mj:

 

This is what you said before the Hatton-Mayweather fight:

"I don't deny that, if Floyd beats Hatton impressively (not baldomir style) he deserves a lot of credit, Hatton is a dangerous fighter with the right style to trouble floyd."

How does Hatton go from being a "dangerous fight" to not a genuine challange?

 

I did give Floyd credit for that win. Unlike Baldomir, Oscar and Marquez, it was a good performance.

But Hatton at 147 wasn't up to much.

Also, I said Hatton is a dangerous fighter, not a dangerous fight.

A fighter with a similar pressure style to Hatton, only much, much better, does indeed have the style to beat Floyd. That's why even little Jesus Chavez gave Floyd a half decent fight, that's why Castillo's intelligent pressure arguably beat Floyd in their first fight, and that's why someone like a prime Duran would smash Floyd.

That's also one of the reasons why I would pick Manny to beat Floyd. Manny isn't just fast and powerful, once he gets into his rhythm, he pressures you, and attacks you frequently and unpredictably.

By the way, back at 130/135 when I was a borderline fan of Floyd - I don't remember anything about him making offers to Freitas or Casamayor.

 

You should give him more than just credit. You said the only way he would win was if he ran around for 12 rounds. He went in there and beat Hatton at his own game before making him look like cartoon character for the finale. It's not as if you weren't aware of what Hatton would be like at 147, we saw it when he fought a lesser welter the year before and couldn't outfight Collazo on the inside.

What does "similar pressure style" mean? That they all come forward or something? Because even Floyd does that a lot. Hell, most fighters do. Chavez and Castillo fight nothing like Hatton. Pacquiao fights nothing like the three. For starters, Chavez and Castillo and even Hatton (overstated as it is) are very good inside fighters. If Pacquiao has a weakness, it's his phone booth game. He shoots shots from every angle and distance but is very reliant on his footwork to do so.

Pacquiao's style would give anyone fits. But I don't think it's because he's got some "style" to beat Floyd. In fact, I'd sooner say Floyd has the style to beat him. A long, hard jab that he will work up and down (pause) and is an excellent, underrated in-fighter who will smother him and work him in close quarters. A fighter with world-class footwork himself; one very difficult to properly gauge distance against. But that's why we have the fights, right?

 

I guess..."However" Corley was coming off a loss to Judah...why didn't Floyd fight the winner of that fight instead of the loser?

ironically, he did get to Judah seven pounds north when Judah came off a loss.

 

Pacman fought Morales 3 times coming off loses. The MAB rematch with MAB coming off a loss and Oscar Larrios coming off a loss.

 

Not sure about this but I wouldn't put the blame solely on Floyd for those fights not happening...

Floyd was close or just about to make his "slave wages" comment about an HBO contract and Freitas (despite being on KO Nation) was just beginning to start a run on Showtime.

Regardless...once all moved to 135 Floyd beat the best guy (Castillo) and had beaten Corrales at 130...Casamayor's best wins were against Corrales at 135. he'd also lost to Castillo who Floyd beat 1 1/2 times.

 

Chavez fights nothing like Hatton? Yes he does. He is a basic pressure fighter, just like Hatton. Pretty much non stop aggression, just like a prime hatton. The only difference is Hatton moves around a bit more, has better footwork, and is generally faster/better.

I don't remember saying the only way Floyd would win is if he ran away non stop for 12 rounds. Do you save my posts or something Kenneth? ::

I agree that Pacquiao fights nothing like the other 3, or like anyone in boxing history really, but my point was simple - he can be very aggressive and apply pressure. And I think when Pacquiao applies pressure, it's more difficult to deal with than your average pressure fighter, because he is so fast and unpredictable. He doesn't have a pattern like most pressure fighters do.

The only fighter I could vaguely compare Pacquiao to would be Duran.

I didn't say it would take a good infighter to beat Floyd, I said it would take aggression/pressure. Floyd is actually not bad on the inside. But he is not good under pressure. He needs room to move, and also he needs to control the pace in order to potshot etc.

And no, I shouldn't give him more than just credit. Hatton was a good win, good performance, but nothing more. Hatton isn't anything special at 147.

Despite Pacman beating Hatton at his natural weight, I give Pacquiao less credit for the Hatton destruction than the Oscar and Cotto wins. Because quite simply, he's not as good.

What is your opinion, that Hatton is Floyd's best win? If so, that doesn't say much, seeing as Pacquiao obliterated Hatton at his natural weight.

 

No he doesn't. Not for the last 5 years anyway.

He fought like a bitch against Marquez, anyone would think he was the smaller guy, not Gay Marquez. He didn't come forward against Oscar, didn't come forward against Baldomir, and despite roughing him up a lot, he didn't even come forward much against Hatton.

 

Actually, he came forward quite a bit against Marquez. Not sure how you missed that, but he did. And against Hatton, are you implying that he "roughed" Hatton up while backpedaling? Anyway, that's neither here nor there. Pac doesn't fight like Hatton. At all. I thought that was obvious when the two squared off.

 

I never said Pacman did fight like Hatton. Nobody in their right mind would think that.

And I'm not sure what fight you were watching, but no, Floyd didn't come forward against Marquez.

And against Hatton, that's right, he roughed Hatton up a lot whilst on the ropes etc, he certainly wasn't the aggressor in that fight.

I suppose he came forward a lot against Baldomir too right?

 

Alrighty, then. And Castillo? He fights like Hatton too?

I remember, that's all. I remember you thought the idea that Mayweather would dare fight on the inside was ludicrous. That Hatton was the stronger of the two.

So Pacquiao is similar to Hatton in that he can be very aggressive. Well...yeah. Let's see where this is going.

In terms of pressure?

What do you base this on? Hatton and Chavez? Two guys who were stopped? Or Castillo? One guy who was really, really f*cking good at 135? Yeah, Floyd needs room to move but he doesn't need to move. As he showed against all three of those guys (Castillo to a lesser extent), he's pretty good on the inside as well.

Well that I agree with. Always thought that.

Agreed again,

Huh? Where did you get this from?

 

The bottom line is that you said a fighter with a similar pressure style to Hatton "does indeed" beat Floyd.

You cited Chavez and Castillo as examples.

Then you said that's "one of the reasons why I would pick Pacquiao to beat Floyd." Sorry, must've misunderstood you.

 

I think you were reading too much into my comment.

By "similar" pressure style, all I meant was they were pressure fighters. I wasn't specifically making a stylistic comparison to Hatton.

Out of the 3, the only one who DOES bear a resemblance to Hatton is Chavez (and yes, there is a resemblance, they are/were pretty much pure pressure fighters, they won fights by applying non stop pressure).

Castillo doesn't fight anything like Hatton, neither does Pacquiao, neither does Duran. That goes without saying. However, they are all aggressive, and that was my point really.

Someone who is too patient, someone who gives Floyd room to move/think etc, stands no chance. That's why Corrales go dominated so much, because as brilliant an offensive fighter as he was, he was very patient.

That's why I've always said Floyd would beat Cotto (Cotto is too patient) - likewise fighters like Tszyu or Trinidad would be eaten up by Floyd. I think those two in particular would barely win a round.

And conversely, that's why I really would pick Pacquiao to beat Floyd. Fast, aggressive, unpredictable. He won't plod after Floyd or rush straight in like an idiot, he'll be zipping around, launching attacks with unpredictable timing/angles. Floyd won't be able to get into his comfortable pot shotting rhythm.

With Mosley I'm really not sure. I wanted to see Mosley against Berto, to more accurately gauge what he has left, rather than use his performance against that sloth Plasterito as a barometer.

By the way I was surprised yep, that Floyd did beat Hatton at his own game. Floyd is physically strong, even if he can't punch that hard. I didn't say he would have to run away for 12 rounds though, it's not like Hatton is a monster puncher, I said before the fight Hatton was the stronger of the two.

 

I can't stand Floyd Mayweather but I don't see how anybody can NOT give him credit for beating a guy 43-0 who was considered a good fighter. That was a great win for Floyd despite what Pac did to Hatton later blah blah blah. I understand the hate for Floyd because he's so damn cautious and does indeed take the fight with the least resistance almost everytime but sometimes hate takes on the same characteristics as nuthugging does with some posters. Bottom line is Hatton was a really good win for Floyd.

 

You did but who cares. Yeah, what I basically see among the names you mentioned are different fighters who all fight in their own distinct way. Castillo had the most success of them because he's just a lot better than they are. Chavez and Hatton had less success than Corley did. And Judah. In fact, I'd sooner say that patient, countering southpaws give Floyd more trouble than aggressive fighters .