Mayweather hesitating with Mosley

By the way, hahaha, change that top line to "I WASN'T making a stylistic comparison to hatton". Typo.

I said Floyd would have to be defensive, and wasn't going to outmuscle Hatton or KO him (which was wrong) but I didn't say he'd have to run away, at least I didn't phrase it like that.

I agree, all the fighters I listed are different stylistically, but they have one thing in common - they are aggressive. I guess I should have phrased it better.

Chavez had more success than he should have done really, being that he was undersized and overmatched - purely with aggression/determination. Same with Carlos Hernandez to some extent.

It was those 2 fights and the Castillo fight really that made me think it's going to be an aggressive fighter that beats Floyd. Chavez and Hernandez didn't come close to beating Floyd, but their style troubled him, and the reason they didn't do better is because they were too small and not very good.

Castillo was an aggressive fighter, but it was fairly intelligent aggression with a good jab and good timing. And of course, Castillo is about the same size as Floyd.

I agree Judah did better. I thought he was winning at the halfway stage. That was partly down to aggression, but mainly speed. Which is another reason I pick Manny to beat Floyd. Floyd didn't do too well against the only fighter he's fought that was faster than him. A southpaw too.

 

I really don't think Chavez had "success." I don't know what fight Lederman was watching either that night. Don't want to use the word "easily" but Mayweather handled Chavez pretty well, I would say. Castillo is just an excellent fighter. And Hatton barely had any success. He might've thought he was having success. Judah and Corley, are two guys who I think gave Floyd serious problems (aside from Castillo). I think if there's any stylistic trend as to how to beat Floyd, that's it. But they weren't aggressive, per se. Just smart.

 

I haven't seen the Chavez or Hernandez fights since they happened, but I remember being surprised at the time. I expected them to get completely dominated, and they didn't.

They both had SOME success at least against Floyd.

I'm not saying they fought on even terms with him, but they definitely troubled him to some degree.

Hatton didn't get whitewashed, but no he didn't have much success.

By the way, you're leaving out Oscar. You don't think Oscar had success?

Floyd was utterly unimpressive that night. I thought he won 7-5. He lost 5 rounds to a plodding Oscar that did nothing but jab occasionally.

 

To be honest it was the Oscar fight that made me think Floyd really was overrated.

Even Judah having success didn't make me think that, because when Judah actually fought to his potential, he was pretty damn good offensively, and he is the only fighter Floyd has fought that was quicker than him.

But Oscar? Oscar barely did anything himself, just plodded after Floyd.

Floyd should have had a field day on him like Pacquiao did, or indeed like Roy would have done to someone plodding after him like that.

 

I don't know. I think you should watch them again. Yeah, they had "success" - they might've won a round or two. It's not like they're tomato cans.

As for Oscar, I thought Floyd tried as much as his opponent did. What I saw was one fighter who didn't want to risk getting stopped against another who was perfectly content to win over the distance. I gave Oscar three rounds, four if you're generous. He also looked like he was having success early on but did you notice how he stopped pressuring after the fifth or sixth? Floyd was getting warmed up and Oscar didn't like those counters he was eating - almost got dropped in the fifth, I believe. So he went from that to just jabbing to just...nothing. He could've been an idiot like Hatton and just kept on throwing and applying pressure.

 

The onus was more on Floyd to show he was the best P4P fighter in the world, don't you think? Honestly, against Oscar he didn't look it.

Oscar didn't fight like a man who didn't want to get stopped, he fought like an aging, plodding fighter, who was not anywhere near as fast or sharp as he used to be.

That fight was a huge event, huge PPV, marketed to fuck, Floyd should have shown the world what the best P4P fighter in the world looks like.

If anything it was Floyd who was fighting like a man who didn't want to risk getting stopped, or even punched at all.

Floyd was being very defensive. Oscar was sort of coming forward as best as he could, but of course he wasn't going to get reckless like Hatton, Floyd simply wasn't opening up enough to give him any opportunities, he was being too defensive, and because that Oscar was slower to pull the trigger than he used to be, I don't blame him too much for not mounting more of an offense. He at least made more of an effort to fight than Floyd. I think if Oscar adopted Floyd's level of aggression for that fight, they would have landed a handful of jabs each for the whole 12 rounds.

Oscar got buzzed by a lead right at some point mid fight, he wasn't close to getting dropped though.

Most people seemed to score the fight 8-4 to Floyd. I gave Oscar 1 more round, which is not surprising, as I do generally favour the aggressor.

Incidentally, if Pacman - Floyd does happen this year, what's your pick?

 

Oscar was aggressive for about five rounds. Again, why? Maybe if he continued you might have saw a much better ending. Maybe (gasp!) he would have gotten stopped. Oscar doesn't get extra points from me for being aggressive because over the last 3-4 rounds, Floyd was as aggressive as Oscar had been at any point during that fight. Floyd didn't win spectacular but it wasn't like Oscar sucked that bad. But whatever he had left went into that camp and that fight.

As for Pacman-Floyd, it depends. I hadn't made a pick yet and was still unsure. I do doubt it happens at this stage as long as they disagree on random testing.

 

Agreed. I hate Mayweather something rotton (the persona rather than the fighter) but the way he dismantled Hatton was impressive. Hindsight tells us that Hatton at 147 wasn't the same fighter, but it was still an impressive win.

MTF

 

TBH, I don't think the contract weight was significant. Hatton generally fought at 148lb at junior welterweight against other guys who weighed about 148lb. Against Floyd he was 148lb against another guy who weighed 148lb. Non issue, IMO.

 

get real. Collazo damn near KO'd Hatton at 147. Non issue. :laughing:

 

Did you even read my fucking post? :shit:

 

Not really.

Regarding Floyd specifically, Floyd would have beaten Hatton at 140 as handily as he did at 147, pretty much, he's simply in a different league as a fighter.

But Floyd is bigger than Hatton. Not only did he look bigger in the ring, but simply put - Floyd can't make 140, Hatton can.

Don't be fooled by Floyd not putting on much weight after the fight, Floyd doesn't put on as much weight as most fighters between fights, he stays leaner. And I would guess he makes an effort not to bulk up too much after the weigh in to stay lean, light, and mobile.

Be that as it may (that Floyd would have beaten Hatton at 140) Hatton clearly isn't suited to 147 at all. A huge part of his game is having a strength advantage and bullying people around, he doesn't hold that advantage over the average 147 pounder, as we saw with Collazo.

 

Nobody is saying it wasn't a good win, it was. It was also Flid's best performance at 147 (though not surprisingly, against a 140 pounder :: ).

 

it was his best career win

 

That's simply not true. Oscar slowed down a lot, but he was still sort of ambling forward, or at least not back peddling. Floyd was content to just amble along pot shotting too. He never pressed the fight or turned it up a gear to make a statement or try and stop Oscar.

And if Oscar was being as passive as you suggest in the latter part of the fight, well that's even MORE reason why Floyd should have stepped it up and tried to put a beating on Oscar.

I just don't like safety first fighters. I respect fighters a lot, but they do get millions. Their job is to fight. They should put on a show.

To be honest one of the things I liked about Roy, is he put on a show. Even against overmatched opponents, he would at least make it entertaining.

I also feel that Roy took more risks against Ruiz, a significantly bigger man, than Floyd did against Oscar.

I don't like Floyd's attitude that he can essentially rip off the fans/boxing public, earn all these millions by taking the path of least resistance.

Like I said in another thread, I wish Castillo had gotten the decision in their first fight, so that Floyd WASN'T officially undefeated. I honestly think we would have seen more of Floyd, and seen him take on bigger challenges if he wasn't so obsessed with his undefeated record.

Regarding Pacman against Floyd, I'm surprised, I thought you'd pick Floyd for sure, I didn't think you were that high on Pacquiao.

How about Shane against Floyd?

 

If it is, Pacquiao took a big shit on Floyd's best career win, by destroying Hatton at his natural weight in 2 rounds.

I don't think it is his best career win though.

Castillo at lightweight was a very good fighter, I'd say winning the rematch against Castillo was probably his best career win. His performance against Corrales was insane, but Corrales was weight drained, and weight drained or not, he didn't have the style to trouble Floyd at all.

 

It's hard to pick against someone who just crushed Miguel Cotto, unless you're a nuthugger, or simply don't know much about boxing.

 

there is no question it is the best win of mayweather jr's career. once he defeats pacquiao that shall change.

 

Once he defeats Pacquiao, hahaha ::

Optimistic aren't you Neil? He has to grow a pair of testicles first to actually step into the ring with Pacquiao, let alone beat him.

Also, why do you feel Hatton is a better win than Oscar for example?

 

delahoya was not even one of the top 5 wins of mayweather jr's career.

 

I'm tired of seeing this IDIOTIC logic coming from you...

Since no one is calling you out on it I am oblidged to do so...

EVERYONE knows that a fighter invariably loses toughness once he's been knocked out for the first time. It happened to vargas after Trinidad, Mayorga after Trinidad, Morales after the 2nd Pacquiao fight and the list goes on.

Mayweather fought a much better version of hatton than Pacquiao did: Mayweather fought an UNDEFEATED Hatton.

Pacquiao fought Mayweather's leftovers.

That's what's important here when comparing the two performances..not this bullshit about 140lbs vs 147lbs.

Anyway..we digress...

If Mayweather doesn't fight Shane next (unless for a very good reason outside of his control)...he's a pussy; still the best fighter on the planet..make no mistake...but an ignorant, money hungry pussy and he'll lose alot of fans..including me.

 

So Pacquiao is obviously far less tough than he was at flyweight right, you know, before he was KO'd? ::

Pacquiao beat Hatton at his natural weight, Floyd didn't.

Do you seriously think it's that simple Sly, that someone gets KO'd and suddenly they are not half the fighter they were, and they are nowhere near as tough?

Sometimes there is such a thing as someone's chin cracking so to speak, but that's not the case with Hatton. He's always had a decent chin, but he's been rocked by guys before, dropped by Eamon Magee etc.

Are you seriously trying to downplay Pacquiao's utter destruction of Hatton, because Floyd KO'd him?

Anyway, I can't believe you're calling Floyd a pussy :kidcool:

By the way I feel I should correct you, Floyd is the second best fighter in the world, behind Pacquiao. He has been for a while.

 

"Mayweather is scared to fight. Everybody making all these excuses"

James Toney



http://fighthype.com/pages/content6813.html

 

Only guy at 140 that Hatton fought better than Collazo prior to Floyd was Tszyu. He sucked at 140 and 147.

 

Floyd will not fight anyone with a pulse. Bring the zombies.

 

I think his three best wins are Hatton, Corrales, and the Castillo rematch in pretty much any order. Genaro is probably #4.

I disagree with the bolded part. Corrales' style troubled everyone to that point and he had beaten Floyd in the amateurs, a sport that tends to be all about styles.

 

Apparently now it's not only the fans, who don't know shit about boxing, but his PEERS.

His fellow fighters are saying he is afraid to fight someone with the capacity to be competitive.

 

I just saw the little ticker on ESPN that PBF/Shane are in negotiations. Don't know if this matters. I'll Holla 5000

 

It means more to me that you posted this, than the actual content of it's nature.