Newly-crowned heavweight champion busted for steroids

Didn't Roy only fail a test against Hall?

And wasn't it the only time he and Hall had failed a test?

Call me crazy, but that evidence seems suspect at best that Roy was "Roid" Jones Jr.

Unless that commission had much better urine tests, it seems unlikely that would be the only test that both Roy AND Hall would fail.

 

nah, Jones did admit to taking the over the counter supplement ripped fuel which contained a precursor of andro..whatever its called, which led to the positive test

 

No. Never heard of the person or the place.

 

Do you think that's true, that he really just took that over the counter product?

 

Didn't both pass a second test shortly after as well?

 

Yeah, that was kinda my point. The entire incident was almost completely covered up and glossed over.

And if I tested positive to a banned substace I'd plead ignorance and negligence, (instead of outright cheating) too.

 

Yeah I heard that, but I don't know the details.

I mean, that would only be significant if they used the same urine sample.

Obviously it would mean much if they used a fresh urine sample a few weeks later ::

 

You know I´m not saying you are gullible, but when you receive an e-mail from Nigeria, don´t send them your money. Promise.

 

Nuh man, I'm not gullible at all.

I'm often quite skeptical and suspicious of things, but conversely, I do like to give people the benefit of the doubt in a lot of cases.

For example, there are some things that are just obvious, and you really would have to be gullible to believe - such as Mosley unknowingly taking the roids. That seems hard to believe.

But I don't know, the fact that it was the only test Roy failed, and his opponent happened to fail too, seems a bit odd no?

 

hall

 

I watched a low-budget documentary called "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" about steroid and PED use in America. Of course it dealt with mainly athletes and the culture of rampant PED use here... but it also went into some more personal stories and sort of gave you some sense as to why so many people feel they need the drugs in order to compete and even to give themselves some sense of self-worth.

Anyhow, in it the filmmaker talked to one of the fellows who governed drug testing for the Olympics for many years in the 80s. He affirmed the fact that there was rampant use of every kind of drug you could imagine by the athletes, and he stated that due to the testing methods used they were regularly caught.

But what really interested me is that he said even Carl Lewis tested positive during his gold-medal reign! Almost no one knows this as it, too, was swept under the rug. Apparently you can appeal the results of these tests and there are all sorts of excuses that are accepted - but primarily if the athlete has some "pull". Someone like Carl Lewis was good for the Olympics, and any drug scandal involving him was BAD, so his appeal was granted and he passed a re-test. Case closed. But the former Olympics worker basically came out and said it was corrupt and unfair.

It is interesting, as even if/when boxing does ramp up testing efforts, you would have to ask the followup question of what will they do about positive tests? There is so much money involved.. it makes me wonder if indeed catching more offenders might not just lead to a "money talks" system where the fighters with the right "connections" and with enough "monetary motivation" get excused on the basis of absurd pretexts ("I drank too much cough syrup"). I know it is horribly cynical, but in the light of the Pac/PBF debacle I do wonder if there is any hope for boxing to really try and keep things clean. It just seems like there is so little reason for anyone to do so.. fighters, promoters, athletic commissions.. what is in it for any of them to genuinely try to stamp out PED use? Nothing. I made this point before when people naively asked "Well if the urine tests don't work, then why does boxing keep using them? Hmm?" And of course their inefficacy and ability to be beaten is the very reason they are kept in use (keep in mind, complete idiots will still get caught, as Victor Conte did call announced testing "IQ Testing").

The only people who have any strong motivation to stringently test are fighters who get to a high level of competition and are totally clean. But as we have seen from multiple examples in the past and present, a fighter who proposes some sort of way to make sure competitors are clean is vilified and hated, or treated like a lunatic, or just ignored. I really think the public wants to see the big fights far more than they want to see clean fights. And given the state of affairs in boxing, I am not sure I disagree.

 

He's one of the most corrupt pieces of shit in the sport,.. I would not trust him for one second,.. infact it's more likely he tests the opponent of his house-fighter, but is involved with pumping his horse full of 'nutrients'. Fuck Sauerland,.. let's not forget him and king have participated in a couple of pre-determined outcomes for the WBA paper-belt in recent years,.. wether Valuev won the first fight against Ruiz or not,.. it was pre-arranged,.. wether Haye's ear and eye searing heavyweight saviour performance against Valuev was good enough, it didn't matter, it was pre-arranged. Sauerland's house-events are as rigged as a pirate ship my dear northerner.

 

Lovely post,..:nono: but I do not like your very last sentence,.. keep it real brother, keep the devils in a tight strangle-hold until they hiss thier evil gasses and feel uncomfortable with themselves, clense thier SOULS.. :crafty: ,..

 

Shit, I read this somewhere a while back too. Off the top of my head, he failed a drug test prior to the 1988 games but US Track and Field called him in and, between them, the whole thing just conveniently vanished into thin air.

I thought it incredible when I first read it, especially since the 1988 games featured arguably sports most famous drug cheat in Ben Johnson.

***EDIT***

Notwithstanding how unreliable Wikipedia can be:

It was revealed that Lewis tested positive three times before the 1988 Olympics for pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, and phenylpropanolamine, banned stimulants and bronchiodilators also found in cold medication, and had been banned from the Seoul Olympics and from competition for six months. The USOC accepted his claim of inadvertent use and overturned the decision. Fellow Santa Monica Track Club teammates Joe DeLoach and Floyd Heard were also found to have the same banned stimulants in their systems, and were cleared to compete for the same reason.

The positive results occurred at the Olympic Trials in July 1988 where athletes were required to declare on the drug-testing forms "over-the-counter medication, prescription drugs and any other substances you have taken by mouth, injection or by suppository."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Lewis#Stimulant_use

MTF :dunno:

 

A positive test for Carl Lewis would have been a political disaster. The American posterboy in the battle against the evil drug-cheating athletes from Eastern Europe. Not that I doubt they would have covered that up in 1996 as well, but in 1988 it was more than just a sports issue.

 

carl lewis probably tested positive for traces of semen on his tonsils

 

I remember hearing about this awhile back. It's part of the reason I believe all top athletes juice in some way. Marion Jones confirmed my suspicions.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear in the future that Phelps or Bolt were on something that is currently undetectable.

 

Yeah, when reading about how it is characterized in print it seems minor. But the former Olympics employee in this documentary I saw (just can't remember his name!) characterized it far differently, and you could sort of hear the frustration and cynicism in his voice. Like he had even more to say, but didn't want to say it.

Also, in a past life I had a lot of "informal" experience in organic chemistry, and I can tell you that many times the metabolism of drugs once in the body cause the substance to change, usually into some sort of base form, but not always. For example, it is extremely difficult to tell on a positive opiate/opioid test exactly which drug was taken. It can be done, but typically the common metabolites are looked for and if found, it's considered a positive with little followup. So whether someone shot up heroin, which is diacetyl morphine, or actually used prescription morphine by IV or oral ingestion, is not always a simple thing to discover. Of course, with good enough blood testing within specific time frames, it can be done.

My point is simply - I wonder what it was that Carl Lewis was really up to? What was he using, and how was he using it? Bronchiodialators are more or less what Panama Lewis was accused of putting in fighters water. To me, this sounds like something that could clearly give a runner an advantage, and I highly doubt it was from cold medicine. Yet all he had to do was asy "Ooops! Cold medicine!", and off he goes. Just my 2 cents.

 

Maybe thats why he fucked up the National Anthem......


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Heavyweight Champion.....


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And what exactly is wrong with that??!!:flip:


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