Mayweather hesitating with Mosley

The funny thing is how people are so blinded by their bias, they don't even realize how ridiculous they sound. Read this again:

Yeah, Mayweather had it all planned out. Using his psychic powers, he determined that Pacquiao would say no to random drug testing in the contract. And that would be his way out of the fight!

I can just see Floyd rubbing his hands with glee

 

Floyd bad; Pacquiao good;

ok, thanks a lot folks!!! that'll be enough now.

 

Seems 99.99% of fightbeat are nothing but fanboys. This isn't about PED's, this is about EGO's. Manny and Freddie said BEFORE this even began that Floyd was NOT going to DICTATE the negotiations PERIOD! Well Floyd being Floyd and I'm sure you've all heard the 'I'm bigger than boxing" comments would have none of it. A fighter cannot make rule changes at the end of or DURING negotiations, that's just frickin stupid. Floyd should of pleaded with NSAC to change and enforce the rules not Mayweather sr. :: If this were reversed and it was Manny wanting to make rule changes, I guarantee both fanboy sides would reverse their stand on this subject even though NONE of them would admit it.

Bottom line is Floyd should work on rule changes in his off time if it really bothers him meanwhile he should be preparing to fight Manny. Manny should tell NSAC to go ahead and enforce the rule Floyd made and add the no numbing substance in the hands rule while they are at it but then go ahead and take this fight.

 

Is that right? And Pacquiao hasn't changed the rules or tailored them as he's seen fit in two of his last three bouts?

 

What has Manny done to change the rules and or tailor them to fit his needs. This is not true whatsoever. I'll Holla 5000

 

cotto fought at 145lbs, and with 8oz gloves rather than the standard 10oz that nevada mandates for welterweight bouts.

 

What's the rule AMENDMENT have to do with Manny?


April 25, 2008, 1:49 PM ET
Nevada amends glove-size rule to lure Cotto-Margarito

By Dan Rafael
ESPN.com

The Nevada State Athletic Commission on Thursday amended its rule for glove size, putting Las Vegas into the hunt to land the much-anticipated July 26 bout between welterweight titleholder Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito.



http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3365846

 

And tell me, where is it written that the promoter can enforce weight infraction penalties before the fighter even commits one?

 

My guess would be in the WRITTEN CONTRACT IN WHICH THE FIGHTER SIGNED! If Manny would of signed the contract and then not adhere to it, that's a different thing altogether. What does that have to do with Floyd trying to change the way NSAC does drug testing again?

 

Don't you realize that the random urine and blood testing was...wait for this...in the WRITTEN CONTRACT IN WHICH THE FIGHTER SIGNED!

Except...guess who didn't sign the contract? So I ask you, how was Floyd trying to change the way NSAC does drug testing? How is it any different from Pacquiao trying to change the way the NSAC penalizes?

 

A. Does NSAC regulate drug testing?
B. Does Floyd Mayweather regulate drug testing?


Which is correct?



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Fixed for you.

 

And again:

Mayweather loses $300K per
By Dan Rafael
ESPN.com

LAS VEGAS -- Floyd Mayweather Jr. weighed in at 146 pounds on Friday afternoon, two pounds heavier than the weight stipulated in the contract for his comeback fight against lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez on Saturday night at the MGM Grand Garden Arena.

The excess weight will cost Mayweather $300,000 per pound, meaning Marquez will get an additional $600,000 on top of his $3.2 million guarantee, a source told ESPN.com. Mayweather's minimum guarantee is $10 million, a figure likely to dramatically increase after the pay-per-view receipts are counted.

Marquez, who has never fought heavier than 135 pounds, comfortably made 142 pounds, two less than the 144-pound contract weight.

At Mayweather's request, nobody would speak publicly about the contract weight throughout the promotion that kicked off in early May and continued into the fall when the fight was postponed from July 18 because of a Mayweather rib injury.

However, several sources with direct knowledge of the contract told ESPN.com all along that the contract maximum weight was 144 pounds, three less than the 147-pound welterweight maximum.

But after Friday's weigh-in, Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer finally addressed the issue, telling ESPN.com, "The fight was contracted as a welterweight fight with an agreed upon weight of 144 pounds. However, there were pre-negotiated weight penalties built in."

Schaefer would not disclose the dollar figure, but another source with direct knowledge of the contract told ESPN.com that the penalty was $300,000 per pound if either fighter was overweight.

According to the source, the Marquez camp knew Wednesday night that Mayweather would not make weight because Mayweather's team made overtures to Golden Boy Promotions in an effort to have Marquez agree to change weight on the bout agreements to be filed with the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

However, Marquez's contract had already been filed reading 144 pounds, according to commission executive director Keith Kizer. But Kizer said the bout agreement was retrieved from the commission by Golden Boy Promotions and changed to 147 with Marquez initialing it.

Mayweather's contract with 147 pounds was not filed with the commission until minutes before the weigh-in. Kizer said it was supposed to be filed on Wednesday.

Kizer said the Mayweather camp asked to file it Thursday and he said OK, but that deadline also came and went.

"We were very unhappy with the lateness of Mr. Mayweather's contract," Kizer said.

Kizer said that had the bout agreements not been changed to 147, Mayweather would have faced a fine from the commission in addition to whatever penalty he had agreed to pay Marquez. For being two pounds overweight, Kizer said the penalty would have been 10 percent of his purse, or $1 million. Had he been three pounds over (147 pounds), the figure would have jumped to a 20 percent fine.

Dan Rafael is ESPN.com's boxing writer.


So, let's fix this the right way:

A. Does NSAC regulate weight rules and infractions?
B. Does Floyd Mayweather regulate weight rules and infractions?

 

Conte is a genius when it comes to taking illegal steroids to improve performance. He has far more knowledge on drug testing than you ever will.

 

How cute. So tell me, how many times had Oscar De La Hoya failed to make weight? How about Erik Morales? Yet, they were all subject to Pacquiao creating his own penalties for weight infractions, no? The bottom line is that the commission bends to the will of the promoter, not vice versa. There are plenty of things written in contracts that under the jurisdiction of state commissions yet they never speak up or act out. Why would they? Everyone is strapped for cash. So let's not pretend like Mayweather is trying to be bigger than the sport because (gasp!) he asked for something outside normal protocol. It happens all the time, from catchweights to ring size to everything. But that's ok. Asking for more stringent tests? Blasphemy!

 

He is knowledgeable, that doesn't mean you should believe anything he says.

Arum knows the sport of boxing better than you ever will, does that mean you should believe everything he says?

 

So how about all the experts who agree with Conte?

 

What experts?

 

The proof is in the pudding. I believe what i hear when i see clear proof of performance enhancement, the athletes he was helping passing test after test until they found out how to detect it.

 

There's nothing wrong with asking for more stringent tests, I never said there was, but at the end of negotiations of one of the biggest fights in history? Is that really the time to try and change the ruling of NSAC? If Manny agreed fine, put it in there, but if he doesn't then go on with the fight and go to NSAC and tell them the changes need to be made and (here's a weird thought) have the enforcers of said drug testing regulations, well, enforce. I'm sure if this would of come from any source other than the large headed Floyd, Manny would've just taken the tests.

 

We can start with Dr. Margaret Goodman.

 

First of all, the random drug testing was in the contracts from day one. So it didn't come at the "end of negotiations" as you said.

Second, Manny DID agree to this testing. What he disagreed with was the procedure for testing, as created (not by Floyd) but by the Anti-Doping Agency. Their protocol called for 12-15 urine tests, up to five blood tests, all administered randomly up until the day before the fight.

First Pacquiao disagreed with the amount of blood tests so the number was capped off at three.

Second, he disagreed with the cut-off dates. That is where negotiations ended. Please note that Floyd agreed to compromise (against ADA instructions) the cut-off date so that no tests would be administered within 5-7 days of the fight. However, Pacquiao refused to budge and stayed at 30. However, when Pacquiao was presented with evidence of getting his blood drawn within 30 days, the situation was taken to a mediator. Floyd cut the time in half, asking for a 14-day cut-off period. Pac asked for 24. I guess that's how long it takes him to recover. This is simple stuff. The requests weren't the issue, the timing and randomness of the tests were. But it's good to know Pac has thousands of unpaid lawyers willing to conjure up their own excuses on his behalf.

 

This argument is STILL going on? Why? Absolutely nothing new has come to light to warrant continued debate and each side has already drawn their line in the sand.

MTF :dunno:

 

Actually I was going to say that very same thing.

We're just going round in circles now, it's pointless, we all know each other's point of view now.

We should be getting excited about Mosley Vs Floyd, if it really is about to be announced.

It was actually that inflated heathen Joe King that started talking shit and mentioning Pacquiao, instead of looking forward to this fight.

 

I said at the end of negotiations and you're saying in the contract from day one but then you dismiss my claim that it didn't come at the end of negotiations? So you're saying this article is BS?


Mayweather Agrees to Pacquiao Fight
November 26

The fight the boxing world has been waiting for: Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. is slowly but surely becoming a reality.

According to a report on ESPN.com early Wednesday, negotiations crested Tuesday, with the two sides- Golden Boy Promotions (which represents Mayweather) and Bob Arum (representing Pacquiao)- sitting down and hashing out details of the fight. Mayweather (40-0, 25 KO’s) agreed late Tuesday to fight as a 147 lb. welterweight, with the match taking place either March 13 or May 1.

With Mayweather coming to terms, Arum has now flown to the Philippines to discuss details with Pacquaio (50-3-2, 28 KO’s). Arum is expected back in the United States next Monday.
A site for the fight has yet to be determined. Las Vegas, which has hosted many of each fighter’s top bouts is a logical choice, with the new Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, TX and the Superdome in New Orleans also possibilities.


http://www.betus.com/sports-betting/boxing/articles/mayweather-agrees-to-pacquiao-fight/



And this one too:
November 26

The negotiations are ongoing between the representatives of Floyd Mayweather Jr (40-0) and Manny Pacquiao (50-3-2). Top Rank top man Bob Arum and Golden Boy's Richard Schaefer are keeping quiet about what is being discussed for the time being though, only saying that the talks are going well.

http://www.examiner.com/x-20066-Pit...wn-the-likely-terms-of-Mayweather-vs-Pacquiao

And this one:

November 29
News hit the media this weekend that negotiations for the Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather fight have gone very well. Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum and Floyd Mayweather representative, Golden Boy's Richard Schaefer sat down together to try to iron out details for a Pacman-Money blockbuster.

The real surprise is the lack of a surprise. That is that negotiations are going so well. The promoters think that the fight could have an $80 million purse attached to it. It would be hard to imagine either fighter turning down $40 million dollars.

The negotiations probably went this smoothly, Richard, "we're all going to be rich". Arum probably responded,"you mean we're going to be richer, see you on the press tour".

There is no way that this fight will not get done when you are talking about that kind of payday. It would seem that the only thing left up in the air would be the date.



http://www.examiner.com/x-8557-Norf...ds-are-80-million-to-1-that-the-fight-happens


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And then:

December 22
The Floyd Mayweather vs Manny Pacquiao fight hit an unexpected snag Tuesday. Mayweather's camp has asked for Olympic-style random drug tests during the weeks leading up to their March 13th fight, but Pacquiao has refused. Olympic style is more thorough than the Nevada Gaming Commission's tests, mostly because they examine the blood, urine and test more often.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sportscente...n-jeopardy-kellys-killer-workouts-mangini-out

The negotiations were going well and then to the surprise of EVERYONE in the world as they thought there would be trouble with split, ring size, weight, etc. NO ONE IN THE WORLD thought that Floyd would demand a NEW random drug test and that would END THE NEGOTIATIONS and thus the fight.

 

Wasn't the contract already drawn up & agreed to (had Manny signed it?) before PBF decided at the last minute to add the unprecedented stipulation?

 

Dan Rafael said the Mayweather camp had been asking for strict drug testing since day one.

I remember hearing about the request, then it wasn't talked about for a little while in the reports, then all of a sudden it was this thing that was going to kill the fight.

I'm not sure exactly when it was first brought up but it was definitely before December 22.

 

Was the contract for the fight already finalised prior to PBF demanding his unprecedented extra stipulation?

 

No, the contract wasn't finalized before they both started demanding their 'unprecedent extra not very common special but hey for the sake of boxing both should have gone ahead with them' stipulations.

 

Let me get this straight:
You're telling me that at no stage did both fighters agree to the contract prior to PBFs unprecedented extra stipulation?