How hard can Floyd punch?

Corrales also caught Manfredy perfectly on the chin...right on the sweet spot. Angel didn't make a mistake. The hook by Corrales came in at the right angle and clipped him right on the chin...Angel stayed hurt.

It's no different than Floyd's KO of Hatton...he'd hit Ricky with flush lefthooks but the one that drove him face first to the ringpost was a perfectly placed shot and Ricky stayed hurt.

Same thing.

Since parrying is such a big part of Floyd's game the biggest Winning gloves is an advantage. Same with Grant gloves and how it allowed Winky to open his hand and cover his entire face.

The bit about Morales...Erik was a "puncher" at 122 that's about it. I thought his lawded power was overblown although Wayne McCullough did say Morlaes punched harder than Hamed...don't think Barrera ever said that (meaning Morlaes punched harder than Hamed).

 

I'm not saying his punches aren't effective, they undoubtedly are. And I think at 130, he probably could be classified as more of a puncher.

But regarding him Vs Corrales, well it was partly the speed and accuracy that got Mayweather the stoppages, or even MAINLY the speed and accuracy.

Chico hit like a fucking monster, but he was overly patient, he'd go hunting and stalking for that 1 perfect punch, often letting the other guy win rounds in the process, and getting outboxed.

 

As for buckling Oscar, nah. I remember he did get Oscar's attention with a flush right hand that Oscar didn't see coming, but he didn't hurt Oscar more than Oscar hurt him - which is not much.

By the way he has been taking Xylocaine for his hands since the Hernandez fight right? So he should feel next to nothing when he lands his shots.

He does put something into some of his shots too at 147, like against Zab, it's not like he's pulling every punch, like a post Watson Eubank.

 

It was the 10th Round of a PHYSICAL Fight & he Caught Hatton FLUSH, Leaping In w/an AMATUERISHLY Telegraphed Hook...THEN, Hatton Drunkenly Stumbles HEAD FIRST into the Corner Post...

w/Out Question, the Hatton KO was IMPRESSIVE, but there were Circumstances that AIDED in Removing Hatton from Conciousness, Aside from the Power in Floyd's Fists...

REED:hammert:

 

The pain killers help early but over time during the fight it does wear off...thus...he's more likely to throw his power early than late.

And yes, he did stun Oscar at least one good time...was a matter of what I said earlier...Oscar came in, wasn't expecting the shot and ran right into it.

One of the few times Floyd sat and punched...Met Oscar coming in which doubled the force of the punch.

With that said...

That's precisely one of the reasons I think Floyd would have issues with manny...Manny's one of the few guys who can/could time Floyd when he jumps in with his hook.

Manny's straight left gets there before Floyd's hook. I can see Manny blazing Floyd like that. he'll never see the shot.

Floyd can do the same to Shane...catch him coming in.

 

It's not the same thing at all.

Not to discredit the win, it was a good one and an excellent KO, Ricky was fucking tired by that point, he didn't have much left.

Against Manfredy, it was a little left hook that clipped Manfredy on the side of the jaw in the second round, and Manfredy's legs just WENT, it was almost as if he'd had his legs sweeped from under him. The punch only travelled about 6 inches, Manfredy wasn't tired, and he didn't run into the punch like Hatton did.

Regarding Erik, I agree, he was only a proper puncher at 122, but he still had good power at 126 and 130, he just happened to fight a lot of guys there that had good chins. He KO'd Espadas with 1 punch at 130.

 

hatton's momentum played a huge part in that..,just as mentioned in my last post about Manny catching Floyd and Floyd catching Shane.

Can't believe you fuckers have me saying positive things about Floyd.

:warning:

 

Floyd DID Hurt Dela...It was the 5th Round if REED's Not Mistaken...Dela had his Wits AND BALANCE About him, then Floyd Made his Knees DIP...


REED:kidcool:

 

I totally agree. The KO wasn't just impressive, it was hilarious, but you can't call it a true 1 punch KO for the reasons you stated.

 

Reyes are considered the puncher's gloves for a reason. And as for Winning gloves, yeah Morales looked like a decent puncher at best. Even Pac complained about having to use them for this fight.

Finally, yes the power is the last thing to go but when you move up in weight, it's usually (USUALLY) not as effective.

 

Nobody forgets that Pac didn't drop Oscar or KO him. Pac just hammered Oscar's face black and blue. The whole side of Oscar's face looked awful.

Floyd and Vernon Forrest are apples and oranges. Vernon's power was deliberate and deceptively heavy. Floyd's power is all speed and precision.

Hatton was likely softened up by Tszyu's punches because that was a long grueling bout and he took Tszyu's best. Floyd probably also softened up Hatton for Pac by peppering him with those beautiful precision shots (and then Hatton ran headfirst into the turnbuckle).

Manny, however, detonated that bomb on Hatton and Hatton was right out and then badly messed up afterwards. Different kind of power. Both Floyd and Manny stopped Hatton, but Hatton looked half-dead from less than two rounds with Manny. Floyd zapped him with precision for 10 rounds whereas Manny straight up greased him.

To me, Floyd doesn't have heavy hands, but his speed, technique, precision, and placement are fantastic to watch even if he's not as speedy as he was at 130. The way he turned over his right hand at lightweight and junior lightweight was frigging unreal.

 

REED and Musze - maybe you guys have a slightly different idea of hurt to me.

For example, Kenneth said the other day that Oscar hurt floyd right at the end of the 11th round with a right hand of all things, but Floyd disguised it well.

I watched that round yesterday, and indeed Oscar lands a right hand with 9 seconds to go, but to me Floyd wasn't hurt at all, it landed flush and got his attention, maybe even buzzed him a bit, but I don't think he was really hurt enough for there to be a "disguising" of the hurt as such.

I feel the same thing about the right hand that Floyd clipped Oscar with, kind of buzzed him, but not much more than that.

 

I agree. Good post.

Also - this might seem strange but I used to love watching Floyd fight, and indeed that right hand was a thing of beauty.

I think the most recent time his right hand has looked good, and he's really turned it over and put something into it, was those 10 concecutive right hands he landed against Ndou ::

Unfortunately since Castillo, Floyd has been pretty fucking shit to watch.

Even though I always disliked him as a character, I liked him as a fighter.

 

I loved his beatdown of Gatti.

 

Yep they are considering puncher's gloves for a reason, they are an excellent fit, and they are a good shape, I don't know if you've boxed yourself, but it seems easier to land flush with a Reyes glove. It's easier to achieve that totally flush connect compared with other gloves.

What I'm saying is I think the difference is slightly overrated, not that there is no difference.

I think people choose other gloves for the shape in regards to defense, like Floyd/Winky as someone mentioned.

 

Pretty hard. Although it's more about timing and being caught unawares.

 

While I'm thinking about it..Sly's claim Floyd punches as hard as Vernon is ridiculous.

I would have welcomed a fight between Floyd and Vernon. Vernon would have beaten the living dogshit out of Floyd.

 

Agreed.

I don't believe it.

 

When he was turning that right hand over on Gatti, his waist and shoulder moved so fluidly and quickly. His whole upper body was going into that right hand, and he couldn't miss Gatti.

Putting a facefirst guy in with one of the sharpest shooters in the game. :doh:

In terms of blinding speed vs a catcher, it reminds me of one of the funniest Mythical Matchups I ever heard of...Prime Thomas Hearns vs Welterweight Gatti. ::

 

"Floyd can close his eyes, throw his hands in the air...he'll hit him in the motherfucking face."

- Roger Mayweather on Mayweather vs Gatti

 

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i have to say I like you very much Muzse. You're consistent.

Vernon beats the hell out of Shane and therefore he'd have done the same thing to Floyd.

nonsense.

Floyd's far more elusive than even a prime Shane...less predictable..not flat footed. Stylewise vernon gives him hell..no doubt (height and reach..combined with boxing ability)...but there's no gurantee Vernon would win, as floyd would have given him a fristrating night also. It would have been a close decision.

Vernon couldn't beat Mayorga in two tries and he beats Floyd easily? You're a madman.

 

That's so cruel and gruesome they may as well make that the subject of the next "SAW" movie....

 

Musze - I'm no fan of Gatti, he was a bit too wild and bummish for my tastes, but still, I couldn't help but feel sorry for him in that fight. He was so outclassed it was unreal. It was an impressive beatdown though, no doubt.

 

Hatton really got KO'd by a bodyshot against Zoo.

 

1). Vernon's height and reach gives Floyd fits

2). Boxers always have issues with wild swingers...don't know where the punchers are coming from

3). Vernon was a very smart fighter, he wouldn't spend much time (if any) chasing after Floyd...he'd sit and wait for Floyd to come in.

4). That uppercut Vernon caught Shane with, the same punch puts Floyd to sleep.

5). Most erroneously look at how Floyd handled Corrales as an indication as to what he would have done against Vernon. Not true based on styles and ring intelligence.

6). The closest example I can think of is leonard vs hearns. if that were a 12 round fight, hearns wins. Floyd has never shown the balls Leonard showed, nor the power Leonard had. Even with that said, Leonard and Hearns were closer in height than Floyd and Vernon. I've stood next to both. Floyd is 5'7" at best. Vernon was a legit 6 feet.

7). The main weakness in Floyd's game is a stiff jab. How do you pull counter on a guy whose reach is 3 or 4 inches longer? You don't. You're left with leaping in.


All of that spells Floyd getting his ass whupped most likely going to sleep.

Lastly...Mayorga had a damn good chin at the time. Floyd wouldn't have handled ANY of that shit Vernon landed on him.

 

I don't think Floyd was really hurt either. But he was buzzed. And Oscar was definitely buzzed by the successive rights from Floyd in the fifth, two rights he didn't put too much into IMO.

 

Floyd got punked! He's a f*cking whore who got exposed by a shot inactive Oscar. Oscar in his 1999 form would tear this pussy bitch a new asshole!

 

argh!!

you guys kills me.

YA KILL ME!

Floyd's never been badly hurt or legitimately dropped to the canvas yet everyone assumes he's relatively easy to knock out! I's difficult to have a discussion with people that form an opinion based upon NOTHING.

What in Floyd's history tells you that the vernon uppercut would have "put him to sleep"?

Oscar dropped mayorga HARD with a left hook in the first round. Oscar hit Floyd after the break and round with a HARD left hook and it just "irritated" Floyd.

Shane almost matched Vernon for boxing in the rematch..and Floyd's a significantly better boxer than Shane ever was with almost the same height and reach...but with better movement and more elusiveness.

Muzse this post is baseless.

 

Fraud has no chin! He's going to get murdered!

 

Leonard hadn't been knocked out until in with Camacho

Jones same with Tarver

Tyson same with Douglas.

and yet there's no possibility of Floyd getting knocked out or hurt. Got it. Perhaps it's best if you remove yourself from the discussion.

No one beats or hurts Floyd ever. Got it. Move on.

Let the rest of us have a civil discussion.