How hard can Floyd punch?

Dude....

Stop being silly, you're better than this.

I'm not saying that Floyd's "unknockoutable". I'm saying...that HOW THE FUCK can you claim that Vernon would stop mayweather when vernon couldn't stop either Shane or Mayorga..and Floyd has NEVER EVER been even dropped before.

Now I KNOW that you know what I'm saying and I can see this "clever" little post above was just a diversionary tactic until you could think of a bullshit attempt at a rebuttal. :kick:

 

Fagstaff, did you not see when Floyd's bitch ass hit the canvas against Judah? And he also touched his glove on the mat against some other bum back in '02 which was called a knockdown.

 

Sure Floyd 's glove touch the canvas against Judah and I guess it could have been called a knock down. But it's not like he was DROPPED. He was hit lost balance and instinctively steadied himself with his glove.

Also in the fight where he did get an official knockdown counted against him..he hurt his hand on his opponent's head and went down voluntarily from the pain in his hand. So let's been honest...was that really a true knockdown.

 

The Hernandez fight...that was an "official" knockdown. Floyd wasn't hurt. In fact, Hernandez didn't throw a punch. Floyd landed on top of his head and hurt his hands.

Now the Judah fight, that should have been a knockdown. Floyd ran right into a straight left.

Sly, one post after another builds on your lunacy.

 

I never thought I would see the great Slystaff reduced to a former shell of his posting self. He bases Vernon's chances against Floyd on Mayorga? ::

Your boxing math doesn't work at all here. Just because Fighter A can't beat Fighter B, it doesn't mean Fighter A can't beat Fighter C....even if Fighter C HAMMERS Fighter B. Styles make fights and Floyd doesn't fight like Mayorga at all.

Fighter A - Forrest
Fighter B - Mayorga
Fighter C - Take your pick: Mayweather or Mosley.

Mosley snuffed Mayorga, Mosley couldn't get a W against Forrest, Forrest got snuffed in the first fight against Mayorga and couldn't get the W in the second bout.

Vernon definitely stood a chance at getting the W against Floyd.

 

Yep, and Floyd barely edged shot Oscar. LOL!

 

Floyd was definitely dropped by Judah....the fact that he didn't go out through the ropes and land in Lampleys lap does not make it any less of a knockdown. He was down. Period.

 

it's simple

average power and average chin.....though there's the counter punching factor as mentioned


he KO'd Hatton with a perfect counter...Hatton was tired as it was at 147 and from all the missing he was doing

 

Average chin? That's simply not true. Floyd has a good chin. It remains to be seen HOW good, seeing as he doesn't often get hit flush, but when he does get hit clean or flush-ish, he takes them pretty well.

However, that was a knockdown against Judah. No he wasn't badly hurt, but it was a legit knockdown, and should have been counted.

And obviously against Hernandez it wasn't a proper knockdown.

 

Average power @ 147, but very good speed, & it's the ones you don't see...

 

Without XYLOCAINE Floyd fails to make people honest, becomes featherfisted, and he is forced to cut down on his punches considerably, anyone disagree?

 

It was balance, Judah stepped on Mayweather's foot.

Mayweather's been stunned/buzzed by other shots, in which he stayed on his feet, much more so than that shot.

 

agree with this post

 

He is the GOAT of course he hitted the hardest.

Have floyd ever lost?

Learn about boxing.

 

It was a balance shot, & PBF was not in the least stunned by the punch
However there was no foot-stepping. Strictly speaking, it was a K.D.


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I was about to post the same thing, there was no foot stepping involved.

I don't think it was a balance shot either, I think he went down from being stunned, though it was obviously just a flash knockdown, he wasn't properly hurt.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYCxauOw6ps&feature=related

 

This clip shows how Floyd's open for the right hook over his jab and inside his own lefthook. Judah caught him coming in...

Manny's far more patient...Floyd walks into that shot all night and eventually makes him not look for the hook.

Kinda my thought on Floyd jumping in lefthooks against Mosley. Shane's very good at countering with left uppercuts to the body. We saw Oscar stop throwing his lefthooks because Shane effectively blocked and countered.

 

Musze, realistically, being objective as possible, how much of a chance do you give Shane against Floyd?

"Like I said before" I'm really annoyed we didn't get to see Shane against Berto. Berto is not a great fighter, but he is young and fast, and it would have at least been a better gauge of what Shane has left than Shane against Mayo and Plasterito.

 

You give Shane too much credit.

Shane isn't countering shit against Floyd. Shane's not that smart and his reflexes aren't that good. He looked like a boxer in the first De La Hoya fight simply because of the contrast between himself and the mindless slugging/stalking of Oscar de la Hoya in that fight. Oscar had no respect and was ust trying to walk Shane down without even trying to defend himself.

I can't wait for May 1st.

Y'all will FINALLY see what I've been saying all along (TEN YEARS NOW) regarding both Shane and Floyd.

 

slystaff, you're giving Mosley so little credit as an opponent that it will be difficult to give Floyd any credit when he beats him ::

 

Seriously Sly? Shane at 39 vs Shane at 29. The same fighter? Really?

Mex,

I answered this earlier in this thread I believe. Said I see it as similar to the Cotto fight. Shane loses too many rounds early and finishes well.

If he plays the speed game with Floyd he loses one sidedly. Make Floyd come to him a bit and instead of winding up throwing power shots wait for Floyd when he's coming in.

Time Floyd coming in. That's when he's most vulnerable.

 

You basically laid out Mosley's plan. I suspect that's what they mean when they say, "We're gonna make Floyd fight." Mosley will circle, pop out the jab and let Floyd come to him. And he's crafty enough to catch him with something big if Floyd acquiesces. Very dangerous fight for Mayweather; anyone who says different is on crack.

 

Hey Musze, that's right, I missed your post.

I agree with you about the concept of letting Floyd come to him. I think Floyd would be out of his element in that scenario. Floyd is best when he can lure his opponent into his rhythm, let them come to him, and just pot shot away.

I hope this is what Shane plans, but as much as I love me some Mosley, he has a fairly low boxing IQ, and he is fairly impatient too. He really isn't the kind of fighter to think about everything he is doing, think steps ahead, and be patient enough to execute a gameplan to a T.

Funny thing about Mosley is he usually is a pretty slow starter. He often comes on stronger in the second half of the fight, going all the way back to Oscar one. The reason it's funny is his stamina isn't great, he often looks a bit tired and winded, despite coming on in the second half ::

PS - I did used to think it would take non stop aggression to beat Floyd. But for a pure boxer he deals with it surprisingly well. It would have to be a Duran level of intelligent aggression to defeat Floyd, unpredictable, with awesome defense.

 

Yeah, I'd say he's on par with Ernie Shavers!

 

Negative.

Have you seen Mayweather vs Judah?

 

Agreed.

In short..it would take Manny pacquiao to defeat him. Pacquiao is the ONLY fighter below 154lbs that has the style and ability to beat mayweather and one of only a handful (five literally)..ALL TIME that could possibly do so.

 

The five fighters all time that could possibly beat Floyd at 147lbs and below are:

1. Hearns
2. Leonard
3. Robinson
4. Pacquiao
5. Duran

That's it.

 

Of course I have. I agree Floyd was more aggressive than usual, especially late on, but in the second half of the fight, Floyd was successful with his aggression mainly because Judah fell apart like he normally does.

If anything the first half of the fight is a good indication that Floyd is not great when his opponent lets Floyd come to him.

 

I agree that I would only pick Pacquiao at 154 and below.

I would even pick Floyd to beat Tall Paul if he could make 154. And that's part of what pisses me off about Floyd, he is a waste, he could have challenged himself so much more, created a better legacy for himself, earned more money (which is seemingly the most important thing for him) and also given us more entertainment.

I do think if Castillo had been given the decision in the first fight, Floyd would have been less cautious in his opponent selection.