How hard can Floyd punch?

I actually used to think Tall Paul would beat Floyd, but he is so insanely hittable, and can be outslicked, Floyd would almost certainly beat him.

 

Everyone knows that Floyd is one of my favorites but anyone claiming Floyd hits as hard or harder than Forrest and Cotto is dumb as hell. At 147 Floyd has average power at best and with his brittle hands he does not hit with full force so take a guess.

Just as dumb as claiming Floyd is as fast as he used to be at 130.

 

Like I said before, performance enhancing pain killer drugs is something people like to IGNORE.

Mayweather signed. How is the fight going down? :kidcool:
Shhhhh! Nothing to see here! What about that Pacquaio juicing, huh?

 

To me it's hard to rate where Floyd's punch is at up at 147. At 130, he hit plenty hard enough to hurt people, I'd say that was true at 135 as well. At 147 he has fought Baldomir, who if nothing else certainly could take a punch... hes fought Judah who can't take a punch... Hatton doesnt have a great chin, but it did take a lot of Floyd's shots to really hurt him... I think Floyd's great speed and timing definitley add sting to his punches but its hard to say at 147 how much straight up power he actually has... Assuming he actually fights Mosley, I dont know that the question will be really answered there either as Mosley has a fine chin... I can only state that the 130-135 Floyd hit plenty hard enough

 

Plenty more guys than that could possibly beat Floyd.

 

mayweather jr was a great lightweight, but there are PLENTY of welterweights who could beat him. Just since i started watching boxing Id say the following welterweights could beat him:

Curry
Whitaker
Mosley
Forrest
Quartey
Trinidad
Leonard
Duran
Hearns
Benitez

 

Neil, I agree with all of them apart from Quartey and Trinidad.

Quartey, well, he wasn't quite elite, I just can't see him beating Floyd, and his style is too predictable, too patient etc.

Trinidad?? Are you fucking kidding? He wouldn't win 30 seconds of a round against Floyd. He would be potshotted senseless. He'd barely land a punch. If Nard and Winky could make Trinidad look like a clueless, rank amateur, just imagine what Floyd would do.

 

Fair enough..

But the five that I mentioned are the only ones that I'd give more than a 40% chance of beating him.

I'd make Leonard and Hearns slight favourites over him. Robinson 50-50. Pacquiao and Duran..I'd have Floyd a slight favourite.

other guys like Mosley, De La Hoya, Whitaker, Quartey, Trinidad, Benitez and some of the old timers like Armstrong etc...I'd make Floyd at least a 60-40 favourite. But that's just my opinion.

It's all opinion. no one knows.

 

What about Castillo?

He already possibly beat him.

 

I don't count that for two reasons:

1. I had Floyd winning at least 7 rounds of that fight
2. floyd only looked relatively bad in that fight because he had an injured shoulder.

 

Most people disagree
Injuries are part of boxing

 

Too bad he would duck ALL of them.

Somehow he would find a way out eventhough only 30% of people polled would believe his reasons to be legitimate.

 

He is fighting a guy you thought he would never fight so stop with your bullshit.

But hey, this coming from the guy that for about 7 years insisted would beat everyone at 130, 135 and including the final and spectacular KO he would deliver to Mayweather. I dont think anybody has been so wrong about somebody for so loooooooong. Kauki was probably as bad with Margarito, but that lasted for 2 years.

Floyd would have toyed with Freitas, Gatti-Style.

 

Again with cry baby Freitas?:laughing:

Instead of talking about IRRELEVANT things, address the topics of today: XYLOCAINE comes to mind.:hump:

I'll believe it when he is ACTUALLY staring at Shane across the RING.

 

As irrelevant as accusing a fighter of using something LEGAL? ::

Freitas will always be brought to the topic man. Just like the germans with the holocaust, it is impossible to forget the horrible mistake you made with that pussy. For soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo long.

 

word.

 

Nice ANALOGY!

 

Hatton won ROUNDS vs. Mayweather. Jesus Chavez won ROUNDS vs. Mayweather. Trinidad wouldnt win 30 seconds of a round.

You say some dumb shit sometimes.

 

Vargas won ROUNDS against Winky. Mosley won ROUNDS against Winky. Jermain taylor won ROUNDS vs Winky. Trinidad DIDN'T win 30 seconds of any round in that fight.

 

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Because that was Felix Trinidad at his welterweight best, huh?

Your absence hasn't appeared to have improved your memory.

 

No, I don't actually. I don't care if Jesus Chavez and Hatton won rounds. Trinidad wouldn't even win a round.

When faced with some movement and a jab, Tito was like a fish out of water. He is the single most overrated fighter of this era.

Hatton and Chavez won a couple of rounds by chasing Floyd down and outhustling him, being very busy.

And I don't care about Trinidad not being at his welterweight best either, because he was exactly the same at welterweight, when Oscar was actually doing something, he was outboxing Tito with ease too.

Past prime or not, did Tito's boxing IQ suddenly fall through the floor? No, it was just part of his make up as a fighter. You stick a jab in his face and he blindly plods after you for 12 rounds ::

 

Ok, Mex.

 

Nothing I said is untrue, yet you give this absurd response?

And Tito was actually considered prime when he faced Nard, not only was he considered prime, and a legit middleweight, but he was a 3-1 or 4-1 favourite to beat Bernard ::::

Tito didn't win a round against Bernard either.

There is a very distinct pattern in Tito's career - he crushed bums and sub-elite level fighters, but every elite fighter he faced dominated him. It was sort of all or nothing with Trinidad. Either a KO win, or a boxing lesson.

Floyd is an elite fighter, not just an elite fighter, but exactly the kind of fighter that Tito is clueless against, someone who jabs and moves with excellent defense.

If those 2 met at welterweight, I would have been amazed if Tito won a so much as a round, seriously.

 

Ok, Mex.

 

Twat.

 

To be fair though Tam, I don't really blame you for your inane responses.

There's nothing that can really be argued, what can you say - "No, Tito wasn't dominated by every elite fighter he faced" ? That would be a lie :kidcool:

 

I think it sort of did. He showed he could beat talent when he beat Whitaker easily. Hopkins shut him down with a great strategy, execution, and technique. Winky shut him down because of technique. Floyd figures to be more like Whitaker and so I would give prime Tito a very good chance against Floyd. I'd favor floyd, but I don't think the hopkins/winky comparisons are as enlightening as they may be when projecting against a different fighter.

I think the dlh and whitaker fights are better comparisons for showing what talent will do against prime tito...and he was competitive at worst against it.

 

Whitaker wasn't even close to being in his prime for the Tito fight, he was a shell of the fighter that fought Chavez etc.

And you think Oscar is a good gauge? Until he got on his bike, Oscar outboxed Tito with ease. Tito looked buffudled just like he did against Nard and Winky.

I know Floyd is different stylistically to Bernard and Winky, but he is similar in that he has very good defense, wouldn't let Tito get set, would constantly be sticking a jab in his face, and moving the hell out of the way before Tito could set his feet and launch one of his plaster of paris hooks. Plus he is much faster than both of them.

You're making me sound like a Floyd fan ::

I don't like Floyd or Tito, but Floyd is in another stratosphere of ability to Trinidad, and also has the style to completely whitewash him.

Tito is a plodding puncher with the IQ of a fencepost.

In fact, do you know what fight it would look like? Floyd Vs Corrales. It would look almost identical. Corrales and Trinidad actually have stylistic similarities. Both patient, stalking punchers, that were too patient and could get outboxed easily. The main difference is Corrales liked to fight inside more.

One fighter I think would have had a good chance is Vernon actually, against Floyd. Vernon's sheer reach, excellent jab and timing, good boxing brain and good power would be very difficult for Floyd.

Right now though, I would only pick Pacquiao at 154 or below.

Funnily enough, despite being pretty unheralded and unknown, Martinez would have a good chance of beating Floyd I think.

 

Trinidad had very basic boxing acumen. Even his best punch, the left hook, was wide at times. The left-hook he floored Joppy with came from outer-space. He punched hard, had great conditioning and had tremendous physical attributes, he was tall, had great reach and was two-fisted. He was also bigger in the thighs than a lot of the guys he fought, particularly Vargas, which suggests he was a boiled down 154lbr from day one.

The fact that he was dropped so many times should give you a rough indication of how basic his acumen was. That perspective is enhanced when you look at who did the flooring: Kevin Lueshing? Yory Bum Campas? David Reid....Reid hit Boudouani all night and never had him in trouble. And Lueshing was barely Brit-level.

A big man who boiled down and who was weak in the opening rounds but warmed up as the fight went on.

 

On Neil's list the only guy I have issue with Floyd not beating is Trinidad. I say Floyd steals a win against Trinidad the same way he would have beaten Arguello (yes I said it).

Both of those guys were tall, long, thin and punched like hell...

"however"

Make them pick up their lead foot and not get set to punch...both could be ordinary. Stand in front of either and they looked like gods.