How hard can Floyd punch?

Ok...where have I lacked objectivity where Floyd is concerned?

Floyd hasn't lost yet. this is a fact.
He was injured in the Castillo 1 fight.
He hasn't been legitimately dropped as yet or badly hurt
He's fought different styles and still prevailed: Speedy southpaws with power (Judah), strong tough high stamina solid chinned guys (Castillo), Tall Stalking powerpunchers (Corrales), boxer punchers with great chins (De La Hoya), fast swarming high activity pressure guys (Hatton), slick counter punchers (Marquez)

Floyd has proved himself. I am merely pointing this out.

 

U THINK???...


REED::

 

Corley BADLY Hurt Floyd...



REED:mj:

 

Duran is indeed one of the FIVE fighters that I'd give a good shot at beating Floyd. Just saying that I'd make Floyd the favourite for the reasons already given.

Duran is shorter than Floyd with shorter arms...if Floyd can outbox guys taller than him and with longer arms..I just don't see Duran not getting outboxed. I know it's not always as simple as that....but I think Floyd is just the EPITOMY of a master boxer. The only guys i see Floyd having trouble outboxing are guys like Hearns and Forrest...simply because the are boxers with height (and I'll make Hearns the favourite in that fight fo sho).

Duran is a great fighter and i agree with your assessment of him. I just think that Floyd is a better fighter.

Mayweather isn't popular and he's not as exciting as some of teh greats...but he's as good a boxer as any fighte rin history.

 

Floyd punches as hard as a mule.

 

Nah...

The definition of BADLY HURT..is when a guy is in serious trouble (on the verge of being stopped).

As such COTTO was badly hurt by Corely...not Floyd.

Floyd got shaken up for a couple seconds...and that was about it.

 

Floyd DRUNKENLY Staggered Backwards Into the Ropes, Sly...If NOT for the Ropes, Floyd WOULD have Been Knocked on his Ass...He WASN'T on the Verge of Being STOPPED or Anything, but he was BADLY Hurt by Corley...

If Only BRIEFLY...



REED:hammert:

 

Nah...@ BEST (For Castillo) it was a DRAW...Floyd DID NOT Lose that Fight...U Can Argue that Floyd SHOULD have Done More to TAKE the Champions Title (if U Believe in that Ideology), but he DID NOT LOSE That Fight...

Watch the FIght CLOSELY & Score it Round by Round...

REED:nono:

 

Fair enough...but this is where you and I disagree..

Badly hurt doesn't suggest "briefly" to me. Briefly..means stunned to me. A badly hurt fighter takes a long while to shake it off...IMO...and looks for those moments to be on the verge of being stopped.

Quick recovery suggests that he wasn't "badly hurt".

I do agree that Floyd was stunned/buzzed briefly. But "badly hurt"..no.

 

An Example of being "badly hurt" (without the fighter being stopped) is Shane Mosley aginst Vernon Forrest in their first fight..round 2. Shane's eyes were gone and he wasn't fighting back and was stumbling around the ring like a drunken sailor.

That situation hasn't happened to Floyd as yet.

 

Floyd was rocked by some very hard shots. But he recovered as well as you could expect a fighter to, which I think renders the semantics of whether he was 'badly hurt' or not irrelevant.....don't think the Corley fight raises any question marks about his chin, full stop.

That said, I'll just take this opportunity while I'm here to say - Duran would throatfuck Floyd. Twice.

 

I've never heard that phrase before but it's rather amusing.

I wish we were able to get a time machine and set that fight up. I know you wouldn't see any Duran "throatfucking". You're more likely to hear "No Mas". :kidcool:

 

Last time I checked Sly.... I'm a Floyd fan. But unlike you, I dont have his cum in my eye, impairing my vision.

Duran had the WORST style for Floyd to face(other than Hearns and Leonard). If Floyd had trouble with Castillo's pressure, and even to small degree Hatton's pressure, then how do you see him coping with Duran? Duran was very quick, of both hand and foot, and that sneak right hand he had lands on Floyd and HURTS Floyd. And Floyd's lead right would land on Duran, but Floyd doesnt have the firepower to deter Duran, and Roberto's defense was highly underrated. He'd be able to slip alot of Floyd's pot shots, and even counter them. Not to mention Duran's tremendous body attack, and unending stamina. I see Floyd going into a defensive shell against Duran, and losing a clear decision. It has nothing to do based on favoritism. Its what I feel about the matchup.

Once you said earlier in the thread that Floyd hits as hard as Forrest, you lost all credibility.

 

REED's NITPICKING, but he'd Say that Hearns & Pryor were THE Absolute WORST Style Matchups for Floyd....Having Said that, Leonard WOULD Beat Floyd as Well...



REED:hammert:

 

BOLLOX

 

To add to this...Duran was able to do this to Leonard who is a legit 5'10" and has a longer reach than Floyd.

Plus, Leonard was a much better puncher at 147 than Floyd. I can't see Floyd phasing Duran.

Floyd gets a one sided beating against a prime Duran.

 

Or Duran pulls a no mas.

 

Excellent post.

The only thing I disagree with is underrated defense. Any true boxing fan knows Duran had brilliant defense.

I think what is underrated is his speed. Like you said, he was very quick of hand and foot. His jab wasn't particularly quick, more used as a rangefinder or deterant, but like Tyson, his power shots were very quick, as quick as most people's jabs. And of course he could move around the ring very fast, and cut the ring off.

And of course, a prime Duran would still be bopping about, full of energy in the 15th round. Amazing stamina, I agree.

I also see a clear decision for Duran.

 

Hearns and Leonard definitely are, but I think Duran's a much worse matchup than Pryor. I could see Pryor beating Floyd, but he was more predictable than Duran with much, much worse defense, and less intelligent.

 

"Floyd's a better puncher than Vernon Forrest."

- Slystaff

 

Exactly. But next thing ya know... Sly will be telling us that Floyd hits as hard as Leonard.

BTW - a prime Donald Curry whips Floyd's ass also.

 

Too add to this....

Leonard tried to outslug Duran. Wrong gameplan. Floyd wouldn't fight that way

 

What Duran "Did" was BAIT Leonard into a POCKET Fight, by Shit-Talking him During the Pre-Fight...REED Would FAVOR Duran Over Floyd, but that Bout would Look MORE like Leonard-Duran II than Leonard-Duran I....



REED:hammert:

 

I didn't say that. I said that they are on the same level

 

agREED...Floyd-Duran would IN NO WAY Resemble Leonard-Duran I...Even if the Crowed BOOED Lustily & Hurled Objects into the Ring, Floyd WOULD NOT B Lured into a POCKET War w/Duran...



REED:mj:

 

He wouldnt be lured into a pocket war, but he would be FORCED into the corners, and against the ropes. Duran had quick enough feet to cut off Floyd's footwork. Duran aint Baldomir.

 

We'll never know I guess.

that's why I always enjoy debating ACTUAL matchups (that are coming up) with you cats on this board than Mythical Matchups.

MMs are based upon bias and can never be proven.

Actualy fights prove who knows what the fuck they are talking about.

 

It wouldn't really look like either of them. Obviously Floyd would be far more defensive than Leonard, and the Duran that turned up to the rematch wasn't even close to the Duran that fought in Montreal.

Don't forget though, there are rounds in the first fight where Leonard tried to box, and Duran would give as good as he got in centre ring, then just fucking rush Leonard into the ropes and start landing hard bodyshots. Duran was excellent at cutting the ring off, getting people on the ropes and keeping them there. Duran was on fire that night.

 

I kind of agree. It's fun to ponder sometimes, and wonder how a certain matchup would have went, but I prefer to discuss real matchups - which is why I don't often peruse the MM forum.

 

Wouldn't surprise me if current Floyd fans slowly begin hoping that Floyd gets KTFO by Mosley just so that Slystaff will finally stop with his ridiculous Fraudweather dicksucking! ::