What if Pacman accepted the testing?

Yeah, about four years ago.

That fight won him the lineal 147lb title, as Floyd's fans are so keen on reminding everyone. He has defended that title ONCE since 2006, against Hatton who moved up to fight him at 147.

MTF :shit:

 

Nah Chrissy Baldwin...

You get the fuck outta here.

You're as biased as they come. Didn't you pick Hatton to beat Floyd?

Anyway...Fighters retire for all sorts of reasons...take time out and come back.

Some history for you..Baldy..

When Floyd moved up to 147lbs, Cotto was a mere contender that wasn't ready for Floyd and Mosley was at 154lbs fighting Fernando Vargas. Cintron and Margarito were unproven nobody's and no one even heard of Paul Williams at the time. Floyd fought Zab and Baldomir at the time and those were the fights for him. He then moved up to get a title in another division and took on Oscar who was more formidable (certainly considered that way at the time) than anyone available to Floyd at 147lbs.

He then retired. Big deal. Fighters retire.

he came back and silenced your hero, hatton (perhaps why you still hold a grudge)...who was undefeated at the time (and in the top 10 P4P)...and then took time off again. He was consistent in that before he came back to fight Hatton he said he was basically still in retirement mode and that this woul dbe one fight for a couple years at least.

Fighting Hatton was a good fight. YOU picked Hatton (to remind you again) as did many others.

He's now come back and after a quick warm up...onto Mosley after pacman ran from him.

 

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well, you're right. let's give credit where credit's due - PBF did beat Baldomir. Nobody can take that away from him. And what a scintillating performance it was.

In all seriosness, recall how Forrest easily dismantled Baldomir. I know. PBF runined Baldomir. Right?

 

Technically speaking...according to the judges of both fights...Floyd won more rounds against Baldomir than Forrest did. :kidcool:

 

So U're HONESTLY Saying Hatton & Judah WEREN'T "Legitimate Threats" to Floyd @ 147???



REED:dunno:

 

That's Because Floyd Naysayers REPEATEDLY Threw Baldomir's Name Out As Someone Floyd was Ducking, when he Faced Zab Instead...Yet 12 Dominant Rounds Later, it was All About how "Boring" the Fight was...

& NOW, 4 Years Later, Floyd CAN'T Even Get a SHRED of Credit for DOMINATING a Guy he was Accused of DUCKING Back in the Day...Reminds REED of the Hatton Situation...Floyd Supposedly DUCKED Hatton, yet when he KO's Lil' Ricky @ the Weight Hatton HIMSELF Preferred, All we Hear is how Floyd Picked on a Jr. Welter...

Baldomir AND Hatton R SHINING Examples of the HYPOCRISY Floyd has to Endure (Sure, Floyd CONTRIBUTES to the MAJORITY of the Flack he Receives, but when it Comes to Assessing his Oppostion, there's TONS of Hypocrisy Out There)...Baldomir AND Hatton Went from Being "Guys that Floyd DUCKED" to Guys that "WEREN'T Legitimate Threats to Floyd"...



REED:hammert:

 

What was YOUR Hatton-Mayweather Prediction???...



REED:hammert:

 

Judah was before the Baldomir fight, which is Sly's starting point. Judah was a good win, sure, but it was before Floyd won the much vaunted (and oft discussed and lamented) 'Lineal' title.

Hindsight has PROVEN that Hatton was not the threat at 147 that he might have been at 140. You and I have been over this COUNTLESS times and the fact is that Hatton, even the undefeated, prime version who beat Tszyu in 2005, was not as good at 147. The Collazo fight was not a fluke- it was a fair reflection of Ricky's capabilities at 147.

At 140, Hatton was the lineal, undisputed number one between 2005-2008.

At 147, Hatton was a top-ten ranking fighter who was good enough to win a title but not as effective.

My point was that whilst Floyd has, at absolute best, THREE good wins at 147 in four years. That is as many times as the other guys I listed have fought one another in that time.

MTF

 

Just ADMIT U Picked Hatton, Dude::...

The POINT is, DON'T Sit Here w/FALSE Objectivity when CLEARLY, U're Gonna ALWAYS Take the LOW Road as it Pertains to Floyd Mayweather...Ricky Hatton was a Top 5, UNDEFEATED Lb for Lb'der when he Faced Floyd...

Yet U HONESTLY Think he WASN'T a "Legitimate Threat" to Floyd @ 147???...Even Though U PICKED Hatton to Win???....

REED Would Call "Bullshit" Here, but it's Tooooooooo OBVIOUS to Even Bother....

REED::

 

Show me a place where I said that Mayweather was 'ducking' Baldomir and I'll concede your point...

The FACTS are that Baldomir was a weak champion but was nonetheless the lineal champion at 147. Floyd fought him and beat him as easily as you would expect him to, because he is a much, much better fighter than Baldy.

I already said it was a GOOD win. It was not a GREAT win, though, was it? Was it as good as Manny beating the shit out of Cotto, or Cotto beating Mosely, or Williams beating Maracheato etc etc etc :dunno:

All I personally have ever wanted to see if Floyd, supposedly THE MAN at 147, fight some of the HALF DOZEN or so legitimate contenders at the weight, instead of fighting 35 year old midgets or retiring... :shit:

Beating Mosely would be a GREAT win.

MTF

 

Cool...

If The Collazo Fight was "a Fair a Reflection of Hatton's Capabilities @ 147", then the Pac & Lazcano Fights were Fair Reflections of Hatton's Capabilities @ 140...U CAN'T Have it BOTH Ways, Mr. Feebles...



REED:nono:

 

yeah. and PBF landed 75% of his punches against ODH. right? :atu:

 

what does this statement prove?

 

Here's what REED DOESN'T Expect...

A Guy to PICK Hatton Prior to the Bout, THEN Cling to How Much of a Threat he WASN'T, After the Fact...That's Some Hanz Type of Bullshit Right There...



REED:hammert:

 

Can U REED???


REED:hammert:

 

I'll just interject here with a point Ive made several times before -

Hatton's normal fighting weight at 140 - 148
Collazo's weight against Hatton - 160 roughly
Hatton's weight against Collazo - 156 roughly

Mayweather's fighting normal weight at 140 - 148
Mayweather's fighting weight against Hatton - 148
Hatton's fighting weight against Maywetaher - 148

The fact the fight was contracted at welterweight, which was the same contracted weight as the Collazo fight is MEANINGLESS. The fight could have been contracted for 140 and both men would have come in the ring at the fighting weight.

So the Hatton win is a good one on Mayweathers resume, IMO and he deserves credit for it.

 

Sure I picked Hatton. I like Hatton and dislike Mayweather, therfore I wanted him to win, so I picked with my heart and not my head (made clear in my pick as such), plus people like you were rampaging about the place accusing Hatton of being a racist :notallthere: so it was worth a punt.

Quite was this has to do with anything is beyond me, though...

Thank you for the history lesson Stafford. Allow me to finish off the potted effort you posted:

Mayweather won a title at 154 and then elected not to fight there again. Instead, he came back to the division where he won the much vaunted lineal title (against Baldy in Nov 2006) and then fought Hatton in 2007. He won, and won well.

In November 2007, Mayweather was the lineal champion at 147. At this time:

- Paul Williams had just beaten Margacheato and was calling out Mayweather
Carlos Quintana was about to beat Williams (two months later) and was looking for work
- Cotto had beaten Quinatan, Judah and Mosely en route to being ranked in most people's top five p4p fighters. Oh, and he was looking for work.
- Mosely had stopped Vargas twice, beaten Collazo and lost narrowly to Cotto. He was looking for work

I could go on, of course.

Whilst all this was happening, with a collection of top fighters (two of whom were in most people's top ten p4p at the time), Mayweather basked in the glory of his Hatton win and duly 'retired'.

Now don't be telling lies now Stafford- he didn't say 'I'm taking a rest'. He said he was retired- as in he wasn't boxing anymore.

To the shock of absolutely no-one, after all of the other guys I just listed who were all vying for a fight with Mayweather at the point of his 'retirement' had beaten the shit out of one another, he comes back after his 'rest' :shit: and FINALLY gets around to fighting Mosely.

FOUR years after he won his title, Mayweather is fighting a legitimate welterweight. FOUR years.

And yet people like you defend him. More fool you.

MTF :kick:

 

That's a poor argument as well you know.

Hatton had forty odd fights at 140 and you select his two worst performances. That's a fair method, sure... ::

Meanwhile, Hatton had TWO fights at 147. The first one he almost lost by KO after spending the entire last round on queer street. The second fight he WAS on queer street.

You can see the difference, Mister REED, I'm sure.

MTF

 

WORLD BEATER @ 140...NOT Even a THREAT 7 Lbs North...Yeah, that Makes Sense...



REED:hammert:

 

What you have to factor in, though is that Hatton relied a hell of a lot on having a massive physical advantage on almost everyone he fought at 140. By the time the fighters got into the ring, Hatton used his weight and natural strength to 'bully' fighters on the inside.

Because he was fighting naturally bigger men at 147, he lost his weight advantage and that seemed to have a serious impact on his abilities. He couldn't bully Collzao or Floyd, because they were as big or bigger than him- in fact, Floyd bullied Hatton inside for much of that fight.

Amyway, I'm not saying it wasn't a good win for Floyd. It was. But hindsight has shown that it wasn't as good as, say, a win over Cotto would have been. Or a win over any of those other natural welterweights.

MTF

 

Sure it does. You seen Kelly Pavlik fight above 160, for example?

MTF :dunno:

 

Of Course he Does, but it Ties Into the CONTEMPT Some Have for Floyd...Hatton Went from Being "The MAN" @ 140 to BARELY Being a Bug on the Windshield @ 147....




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