What are Floyd and Shanes keys to success?

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  1. slystaff

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    This is what you all need to know about the Floyd-Shane fight.

    Shane HAS to win the fight in the first 3 rounds. Now that's not to say that he has to stop Floyd in the first three (but it would help)..but rather he has to beat the fight out of Floyd in the first three rounds. He has to win the early portion of teh fight BIG..hurting/discouraging Floyd so that Floyd is sub-par for the rest of teh fight and can't rebound or recover.

    Now IF the first 3 rounds are competitive..Floyd runs away with it down the stretch. If Floyd wins the first three rounds...it's a shut out with Shane possibly getting stopped.

    The longer the fight goes.....the better Floyd's chances. he's the younger man. He has teh better stamina and keeps his speed longer in the fight. he's the one with teh better boxing brain and intelligence who knows how to adapt or find what's working and stick to it. He's the more accurate puncher and the more elusive fighter.

    if Shane, who fights in spurts after 3 rounds, can't win that fight early he has no chance.

    NONE!
     
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    the apex huh? i went to his two fights just prior to forrest. which were in balls rooms in front of a few thousand people.
     
  3. slystaff

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  5. slystaff

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    If Sly was a Ivan Calderon fan I have no doubt he would be predicting a Calderon KO in a potential Calderon-Donaire matchup at 115.
     
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    Hey, people on this and other forums laughed at the following predictions:

    1. Mayweather would STOP Corrales
    2. Mayweather would stop Hatton
    3. Hopkins will easily beat Tarver
    4. Hopkins will embarrass Pavlik
    5. Forrest would beat Mosley
    6. Barrera would beat Hamed
    7. Calzaghe would easily beat lacy


    Tell me, V10, which one of those did you see beforehand. be honest?
     
  8. Double L

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    You also thought PBF would stop ODH.
     
  9. slystaff

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    You sure about that? Prove it.
     
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    i don't see any proof from you regarding the ones you picked correctly...
     
  11. V10

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    In 99% of those you had unbeaten guys who's chin or overall worth wasn't yet fully shown, man. In Mosley you have a guy that has taken bombs for 18 years and has only been hurt or dropped by a perfect bomb from a guy much much bigger and harder hitter than Floyd.

    Floyd will win, but by decision. There's just no sense to a Floyd KO prediction.

    Oh and my answer would be 3 out of those 7.
     
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    Did YOU predict Floyd to KO Hatton?

    Hatton had taken Kostya's shots as well as Castillo's.
     
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    I wouldn't be so sure. Mosley will be the most physically strong fighter PBF will have faced. And Mosley fights physical too. There's no telling how PBF will respond to that.

    ODH doesn't have the courage that Mosley has, especially now. And Mosley shoots better to the body.

    What makes you so sure PBF won't fade?

    Sad truth is, we don't know how PBF will respond. He sucked it up against Castillo, but that was at 135.

    The reality is, you have no basis (other than conjecture) to say that it will be PBF, and not Mosley, who dominates down the stretch.
     
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    I hope Fraud wins to shine the light back on Pacquiao's ped use. Simple.
     
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    Keys to Success???...

    For Floyd, Just BE FLOYD...Constant MOTION, JABS to the Head/Body, the Occasional PULL COUNTER, Pretty Much Everything we're USED to Seeing from Floyd...

    For Shane, he's GOT to Fight Every Round like it's the LAST...Shane HAS to B VERY Aggressive, Roughing Floyd Up...In Other Words, Shane HAS to Go OUTSIDE of Himself...All the Nice-Guy, GLOVE TOUCHING Bullshit WON'T Get it Done vs. Floyd...

    Strategically, Shane has a Looooooooonger Reach than Floyd & Enough Remaining ATHLETIC Ability to TIME Floyd Enough to OUTJAB him...Shane's Also Gotta Cut Off the Ring & BEAT the Body Up...Sugar Shane is BIGGER, STRONGER & Probably STILL As Fast as Floyd...He CAN Win, but if he Tries to "Box" w/Floyd, he'll Lose a CLEAR-CUT Decision...



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    Shane's not a "jabber". Never has been and certainly never will be at this age. You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

    As such..impossible for Shane to outjab Floyd.

    I agree with your strategy for Shane though. I have a sneaking suspicion though that he will indeed attempt to "box" Floyd.
     
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    Shane can outjab fuck all Floyd. Despite the longer reach, Floyd is the better jabber with a considerable amount of more savy and smarts in the ring.
     
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    Watch Mosley-Dela I...Not Saying Shane WILL Outjab Floyd, but to Act as if he's NEVER Shown the Ability to Jab is WRONG...


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    The fight STARTS March 2 in NY City at the Nokia Theater.

    There Mayweather will try to rattle Mosley with past PED use, his personal life with divorce, past career decisions, etc...Psychological warfare usually employed by Mayweather to have his opponents fight angry thus make tactical mistakes in the ACTUAL fight.

    There we also be witness to more Pacquaio bashing, allegations will be thrown in the air without any proof or evidence, names will be called, false bravado, promise of action, blood and tears.

    Buckle up! The press conference will be a lot more entertaining than the ACTUAL fight. As usual, promises won't be kept, Floyd will fight safety first at all costs, avoid exchanges like they were a contract to fight Pacman.
     
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    Will Floyd SHAMELESSLY Pull a "No Mas", yet Get HOISTED onto the Shoulders of his Countrymen & Carried Off into the Sunset????....



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    Again very relative to my post.

    When you can't refute the very fact you put on bold, you go off on a tangent.

    How can you give sight to the BLIND, when they refuse to see? You prefer the dark. Your CHOICE.

    Still looking forward to March 2nd.
     
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    ODLH wasn't a villain, nor was Sugar Ray Leonard. Since the glory days of the 80's passed, boxing just never seemed to have room for more than one or two superstars at a time.

    Disagree with this completely. Shane could sweep the first 4 rds and still lose. Floyd gets better as the fight progresses and there's nobody better in the sport at effectively adjusting to what his opponent is doing and countering it. A perfect example of this is Floyd's fight against Judah.
     
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    What is your point exactly? Not to many fighters are pulling in gates of a million plus. Also I said the Forrest fight was the apex, not the 2 borderline tuneups that preceded it.
     
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    This fight will be the best fight of Floyd's career actually.

    I've analyzed the styles..and not only will it be an exciting fight....but after this most of the Floyd haters will jump onto his bandwagon. Shane Mosley has teh style to bring the best out of Floyd..like no one else was able to. His style is perfect for Floyd and his abilities and aggression will force Floyd to fight an exciting fight.

    Floyd will be agressive and spiteful in that ring and that's why I see him eventually stopping Shane.
     
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    They were former Olympic champion pretty boys. Plus they had great skills. In that situation they didn't need to be villains to draw...the aforementioned was enough....
     
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    huh?

    Sounds like you're agreeing with me. Why did you say "disagree with this completely"?
     
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    Good point. It shouldn't be a complete disagreement. It should have only been with the opinion that Shane has to win the first 3 or 4 to win. In all likelihood Shane probably needs a KO to win. Someone already alluded to the fact that a close fight will go to Floyd due to the still ongoing possibility of Pac-Floyd and the millions of millions that fight will generate.
     
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    Ah..I hear you.
     
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    Floyd - He must fight to win not to not lose the way he did with ODLH. If he tries to fight a lackluster slow paced fight like that, Shane will make things very uncomfortable for him. He needs to fight his fight and not worry about pleasing anyone. He needs to run when he must and clinch when in trouble. The jab must be his bread and butter as Shane has lost many a rd on that one punch alone. In the words of Mr Glass "it's like his kryptonite".

    Shane - He needs to make the fight fast paced and must be in constant attack mode. He cannot let Floyd dictate the pace the way JMM allowed him to. He must attack the body and his ultimate game plan should be to make every punch hurt. He cannot get discouraged by counters and must move his head to try to offset the jab. They say you box a fighter and you fight a boxer. Shane is the fighter and he needs to come in with the mentality of taking Floyd's head off or breaking his ribs.
     

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