Who is the welterweight champion now?

True, but he was also smashed by a guy who turned down a $40,000,000 payday to avoid being drug tested and that leads to extremely pressing and legitimate question marks over the validity of that result, as well.

 

I think Floyd has the best case to be considered the champ even though I voted for Mosley. He wasn't gone very long at all and he did win the lineal title.

I think Pacquiao has the worst case to be considered champ, but perhaps the best case to be considered #1, as you point out.

 

Sorry, but comparing Margacheato, who was found guilty of loading his gloves, and Pacquiao, who has never failed any drug test, is disgusting IMHO.

MTF

 

But you wouldn't say otherwise based upon your posting history...

There IS a case for PBF...A STRONG ONE, although I don't personally subscribe to it...in that he was still the champ (WBC...which was actually the undisputed title since he had got it from Baldomir and Judah the last undisputed champs) when he defended against Hatton and didn't actually retire at that time...just said he's taking a year off. Floyd still hasn't been beaten and so he's the linear.

Historically people like Dempsey and Marciano were able to keep their belts even while having inactive periods that were longer than that.

But we digress...

If ANYTHING Berto has more claim than both Shane and Pacquiao in that he has won the title that Floyd vacated through inactivity.

No one has beaten Berto yet.

Neither Shane nor Pac (especially pac) have a claim on being the welterweight champ. Floyd has more claim than them and then Berto.

But right now it's vacant until they sort it all out in the ring.

the fact that Shane is winning in this poll speaks to his popularity more than his actual status.

 

Shane Mosley, clearly.

 

How so? Check my above post.

Berto has more claim than Shane.

 

wait. are we talking about a meaningless distinction (lineal champion) or are we talking about something that matters - who's proven themselves the best?

if it's the former, we may as well have a poll about which fighter has the coolest walk-in music.

 

:notallthere:

you make a lot of ignorant posts, slydaft

 

Please refute. I'm waiting...

 

Shane HAS NOT proven himself the best. Last time he fought at Welterweight he was beaten by Cotto (since destroyed twice) and now has ONE win at Weltweight since that fight.

If Shane beats Floyd he's proven himself.

Floyd was out of it for a while and so I accept the argument that he's not THE CHAMP at the moment. But he has more claim than Shane.

Pacquiao has ZERO claim...until he fights either Shane, Floyd or Berto.

The title is VACANT

 

Does Manny even need that money?

 

What absolute rubbish. Pacquiao has a clear, uncontroversial win over the man who holds a clear, uncontroversial win over Mosely.

How, therefore, can he have 'zero' claim?

MTF :shit:

 

why does Pacquiao have zero claim? If Mosley has a claim, so does Pacquiao. either way, your statement seems to suggest that if Pacquiao had beaten Baldomir three years ago that he'd have more of a claim than he does today. it doesn't make sense at all.

 

it was not $40MM. it was $40MM - what he was paid for the Clottey fight. how many times must i explain this? everyone - quit quoting $40MM. it's misleading and wrong.

 

One alphabet title is not more meaningful than the other. By vacating that title as Floyd did, it's value was reset to 0, as it is every time someone vacates a title.

Never before has a guy who won a vacant title been considered the champ, when there are other 'champs' already there.

I see what your trying to do, but Berto's name has no place in the discussion.

 

I am loving this shit. Nobody knows who the champ is at 147 ::

Maybe Floyd should clean them all out, you know, like he did before.....::

 

Because Cotto had since been destroyed by Margarito...handwraps or not. Also Pacquiao fought Cotto at 145lbs..still Welterweight...sure...but not at the typical WW limit. Also Cotto only had the lightly regarded WBO title at that time anyway...and was merely a paper champion trying to rebound from his recent devatating beating.

All in all...ZERO Claim. Berto has more claim than Pacquiao.

 

You spin me right round baby right round like a record player round round right round

 

Shane clearly

he beat DLH!

 

I think Ricky Hatton might be the man at 147.

He beat Collazo who arguably beat Berto.....

 

Probably not. Most fighters like to focus on who gets to come into the ring first rather than the trivial stuff like how much he is getting paid.

 

Yeah, I heard Larry Holmes was real choosy over that.::::

 

67% for Mosley! :atu:

Popularity contest going on here...

 

Cotto beat Mosely. All the other 'X beat Y who beat Z' only matters when fighters Y and Z haven't fought one another. That isn't the case here. Cotto beat Mosely and so established himself as the divisional champion.

Margacheato is removed from the equation because he is a convicted cheating scumbag in any event.

WBO belts and other such stuff doesn't matter either. I thought the purpose of this thread was to determine the 'real' champion; not compare alphabet trinkets.

MTF

 

U GLOAT as if this SOMEHOW Makes the Heavyweight Division LESS SHITTY than it Is....



REED:dunno:

 

Yeah but even if I play your game and ignore Margarito, who says that beating Mosley made Cotto the true champ? Mosley had only recently come down from 154lbs and didn't hold a legitimate title belt at the time when Cotto beat him.

Mosley had lost the belt to Forrest then moved up to 154lbs for many years. The belt then went from Forrest - Mayorga all the way to Mayweather. Mosley was no longer in that line of succession.

 

I am not "gloating"...I said 147 was a ball of shit ages ago. Now all of a sudden, here we are, with all these fighters, none of whom is the champion, with a possibly drug ridden guy head of the class, and a former abuser in the biggest fight the division has to offer, with the former champion having been found out for loading his gloves.

Heavyweight Division is top heavy and lacks depth but it does not lack order.

Weltwerweight...well..I mean...does anyone know what is what at 147?

 

:crafty::bears: AAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! ,.... thank you REED!... wether you know it or not Irishman,.. his therapy just helped you then,..!

 

I never denied the possibility that pacquaio was cheating.

What I said was that the Circuitous Court of Sean Reed was not the proper authority to make that call, and that the Anal District Court of Mayweather was not either.