IF dirrell faked it than why...

didnt he blink when the doctor shined the light in his open eyes?

that is making me change my mind after i was arguing on another site he faked it. watch it again. he is shaking as they hold him down, and he doesnt blink when they shine a light right in his eyes. that is an involuntary reaction.

 

also read at the hospital they only gave him an mri to diagnose if he had bled or had swelling in the brain which he had not. reading online that it is very possible someone who receives a concussion can test negative depending on how their body recovers from it.

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Jesus, it that why people are going around saying he wasn't concussed? You can have a concussion without having an obvious brain bleed. Shit, that's practically a career ender.........just ask Joe Mesi.

I just have a hard time believing he put on a whole dazed and confused act on at the end of the fight like that. It looked like he had thought he got knocked out and lost for awhile there, and everybody else was trying to tell him differently, but he just wasn't processing it correctly.

This was not like the Montell Griffin, Michelshitski cop-outs at all IMO.

Was it the delayed response? That doesn't just happen with body shots...........it also occurs with head trauma.

During the final fights of Randy Carver's and Gerald McClellan's career, people/announcers were wondering aloud at the end of the fights whether each guy had just quit. They both ended up in the hospital..........one ended up dead and the other a paraplegic.

I also don't think Abraham is quite the villian Showtime made him out to be. It was a quick reaction, natural to a boxer. Dirrell obviously slipped but I think Abraham thought he was doing his low crouch, duck and get out move.

They should get those fuckin' signs out of there.

 

Maybe I misread it, but an article stated that he was released from the hospital and didn't suffered from a concussion. And I think we can all agree that their's no way you react the way he did unless you are concussed

 

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=26424

 

I'm disgusted with the suggestion of faking I've been reading.

 

If it Looks, Walks, Talks & Quacks like a Duck......



REED:hammert:

 

You think he was faking?

 

Yes...Dirrell QUACKED...



REED:hammert:

 

Dirrell was winning the fight and most likely knew it.

The faking just doesn't make sense.

Why would he take the chance of the ref making the right call?

Why would he take the acting on and on? All he really needed to do is if he wanted to fake his way to victory is stay down and hope the ref makes the right ruling. He wouldn't need to speak to anyone, he could have just went straight to the dressing room with the W.

If your not a student of acting, your not going to be comfortable with it and are going to want to stop asap.

 

Especially since it was Lawrence Cole, possibly the most inept ref I've ever had the pleasure of watching on a consistent basis. ::

 

this shit reminded me of molinares - starling aftermath

 

When I was watching, I was thinking he was going to screw it up to be honest.

 

Dirrell had Also Been DROPPED/DISCOURAGED & Abraham CLEARLY Stepped Up his Level of Aggression & was Finding it Increasingly EASIER to Hit Dirrell....



REED:hammert:

 

so you believe you can, from a blow to the head, fall unconscious and act as disoriented as he was without suffering from a concussion ???? I'm no neurologist but I'm pretty sure that would be highly unlikely if not straight up impossible.

 

Dirrell was winning, but he took the opportunity and acted his part. It was more like the Jones-Griffin fight. Jones hit Griffin, then Griffin complained, then dropped to the floor like a bad stunt actor.

 

Boxers get KTFO all the time. It doesn't necessarily show up on MRI's an hour later at the hospital.

 

Exactly...

& It's the GAP of Time btwn when Dirrell was HIT & when he REACTED that Smells FISHY...Especially when U Consider the Momentum was w/Abraham, who had Just DROPPED Dirrell a Round Earlier....

Sure, there's Delayed Reactions, but Dirrell Went from ACKNOWLEDGING the Shot to Acting like a DEAD MAN, @ the Blink of an Eye...

REED:hammert:

 

He had a delayed reaction. He wasn't looking up waiting for the DQ like Montell Griffin did against Roy. Homey was twitching and had no idea what was up.

 

Delayed reactions are obvious, Dirrell laid himself on the floor. When you have a delayed reaction, you lose control of your hands/arms and legs and you drop like a sack of potatoes.

 

just seemed right away like he was faking and i was like come on give me a break. but they way he acted afterward was starting to change my mind. i was like is he really that clever to fake it then act like he didnt know what happened, etc. etc.?

but after i read that i relooked. he is shakin with his eyes open. the doctor shines a light in his eyes and he does not blink or react at all. im starting to think he actually was knocked out.

 

There was a BRIEF Moment where he had a Bit of a SMIRK on his Face, Joe...A "Fuck U, How Dare U Hit Me While I'm Down" Smirk....



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The guy was speaking fucking gibberish after the bout. Was he faking that?

Like Neil said, it was like Molinares - Starling. Starling talking to Merchant after the fight but really has no clue what he's saying or what happened.

I couldn't stand Dirrell before this fight either, but he really impressed me for a bunch of rounds. It is true he put himself in that horrible position when he started jitterbugging around the ring after the 7th-8th round or so.

He completely forgot what got him there and reverted when he started to gas a bit. I think his corner was sabotaging him to, by telling him to start staying away from Abraham because he had the fight in the bag. Just turned him back into a sloppy runner.

 

How much soul searching was given over to the Golota-Bowe fights? When a guy starts to Quack up he starts to Quack up and that's all about it. Andre has a comfort zone, just like Andrew. Take him out of it, and it's "do shit that dont make sense" time.

 

I believe Dirrell was hurt... but not from the final punch that landed, but the one that caused him to lose balance.

If we're turning to video evidence for reaction and proof that he was concussed, then note the way he grabs his head. The first punch that landed that caused Dirrell to lose his legs and slip on the logo was the left hand Abraham landed on the temple.

The right hand he landed while Dirrell was down caught him on the chin. Dirrell pauses, questions the foul, then grabs the side of his head, first with his right hand, then his left hand as he gently laid himself down on the canvas.

I'm not questioning the DQ call - Abraham committed a foul (though I thought it was reactionary far more than it was vicious/intentional). But sorry to say, I believe Dirrell was given an opportunity to bail out of the fight and took it. He was well on his way to getting knocked out and at best was going to stink out the joint in the final 4 1/2 minutes - IF he lasted that long (which I don't believe he was going to).

 

Interesting. I watched the fight with a friend of mine and he's convinced that Dirrell was hurt by the jab that caught him as he slipped like you are. I just don't see it. We watched the replay several times.

I thought he had started slipping on the logo, as he had previously in the fight, before that glancing blow landed.

But now that you're saying the same I'm questioning myself.

Also, I don't think I agree that he was well on his way to a KO loss. He was winning the 11th handily before the foul.

 

Ditto!...


REED:hammert:

 

Disagreed.

I don't look at this any differently than lets' say Bowe vs Golota...I believe it was the second fight...Golota hits Bowe, Bowe turns away and you can see him mouth "damn" then he falls.

Was Bowe faking as well?

Hell...

The now infamous Tyson KO of Berbick is pretty much the same thing. Tyson clips him on top of the head, berbick didn't fall immediately. he goes down and his attempts to get up...well, that speaks for itself.

berbick was faking as well according to your logic.

Two clear cases of delayed reactions and yet no one has ever questioned if they were faking.

 

Exactly. he was winning the 11th. The idea the tide had turned was BS. Plus, with the way Abraham was coming in, HE could have gotten KTFO. That was more plausible than his catching Dirrell.

 

Why the hell would dirrell have faked it? He was clearly winning the fight! It was a moment of stupidy from AA and the ref made the right decision to stop the fight! There was no way AA was going to KO dirrell with the way that fight was going!