Why doesn't Calzaghe get any love?

He's unbeaten with 46-0. Has Jones, Hopkins (albeit past prime versions), Lacy and kessler on his resume. Style, stamina and versatility wise he's one of the best fighters that we have ever seen.

Yet the Brits don't seem to care about him (they ignore anyone that isn't stright ENGLISH, I guess...) and the rest of the world hardly gives himn a mention.

Very strange.

For me Calzaghe, Hopkins, Jones, mayweather, pacquiao...are together as good as any five fighters from any other era.

 

I blame Enzo. ::

 

he ducked top opposition throughout his prime.

had several close fights go his way. didnt look spectacular beating what was perceived as an old hopkins (7-5 or 8-4 and was dropped) was almost knocked out by a 500 yr old roy jones.

his biggest wins other than hopkins (lacy and kessler) are proving to not be as big, just as some of his detractors thought (or hoped for).

joe is arrogant, and ducked several guys...that alone makes alot of people not like him. robin reid beat him and got screwed.

still one of the best fighters in a long while. wouldve liked to see him fight somebody in his prime, and not wait till his era was washed up.

 

Probably Sly, because he's not that likeable. Character/personality wise, he's not very appealing, plus he's had a lot of so so performances.

I agree though, he is totally underrated. A true great.

I can't believe some people thought Nard won that fight, or it was even close. Nard looked to be pulling off another ridiculous schooling in the first 3 rounds, I was amazed, he even dropped Joe etc, but I thought Joe won every single round after that, clearly. 9 - 3.

Don't underestimate that win for Joe, Nard could or can still fight, as evidenced by the Pavlik domination.

Calzaghe is one of the best British fighters ever, but he doesn't get treated as such.

He also fought to the level of opposition, looking better than ever in big fights, and often so so against average comp.

 

dunno what fight you were watching padna.


clearly 7-5 with the KD making it a one point fight in Joe's favour.

And i agree...it was still a good win for Joe despite Bernard's age, 'cause Hopkins went on to beat Pavlik easy after that.

 

He has faced the Larry Holmes syndrome as he had to follow the very colorful and loved world champion Sven Ottke

 

Quite simply, I didn't think Nard won a round after the third.

I thought Joe swept the rest of the rounds, and fairly clearly. I have no idea what fight everyone else was watching, Nard didn't really do much when Joe got into his rhythm, Joe just plain outlanded him in every single round after that.

Bear in mind, I was rooting for Nard until he tried to bitch out of the fight. That really turned me off him actually.

 

All of this, and add on the slapping.

 

Because he is a wasted talent. A special fighter who just snuck into greatness level based on his reign at 168, but he could have done a whole lot more.

 

I asked a Brit friend of mine this question and he said there are several reasons...

1). he's Welsh (The Prince of Wales nickname) whereas Hatton is British

2). It's widely accepted he wanted no part of Jones and Hopkins while they were in their primes whereas Hatton challenged himself.

3). The Italian thing...just like he'd pander to the Welsh side he did the same with the Italian side (the Italian Dragon).

They all make sense to me...kinda like Lemmon Lewis...British, claimed Jamaica and yet fought for Canada in the Olympics.

pick a side.

 

Plus he used to enter the ring to Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park, the cunt

 

Correction:

Whereas Hatton is ENGLISH..but I agree with that point.

 

Regarding the first point, Joe is also British even if he's Welsh, I personally don't think there's as much bad blood between the English towards the Welsh than there is say with the Scottish. Maybe it isn't the case vice versa but it's not nearly as bad as the hatred towards a guy like Andy Murray, who is only going to be considered "British" by the English if he wins a grand slam, where as until then he is firmly Scottish ::

 

Right...that's my point...should have said "English" not British.

But with that said, being Welsh means he couldn't play for England's national team if he were a soccer player, correct?

 

English dont hate the Welsh...but they look down on them like they do everyone else.

Neil Kinnock would have been Prime Minister if it wasn't for his WELSH heritage. You now it, I know it and everyone else from ENGLAND knows it. :kidcool:

 

Yep...that's what I meant.

Thanks for the correction.

:cheer:

 

Sly already put his finger on the button when he mentioned Joe was 46-0.

The English, traditionally, have LOVED the PLUCKY LOSER.

Hatton and Lewis aside, they have had no real winners.

Herol Graham and Nigel Benn got love from the English, whereas the then-undefeated CL Eubank, Lord of Brighton, Shite of the Realm, got no affection cos he was undefeated, had no intention of being defeated, and was apart from the mob.

Calzaghe was a bit like Jones was. Rural sort of guy with an unorthodox style who eschewed the mainstream, so people found it easy to root against him...there were large contingents of the British boxing public who wanted Reid and Woodhall to do him.....and as soon as he had beaten Eubank, Eubank became a fucking fan favourite and Joe started to get all the flack.

 

Correct...he'd play for Wales.

 

This explains why Frank Bruno was so loved.

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Nah, it boils down to this:

If Calzaghe was "HATTON-ENGLISH" he would have been knighted by the Queen by now....

 

Nah..Frank was loved because he was a big dumb black man who had a white wife and existed just to make the white Englishman laugh and poke fun of him. The English like Black men as long as they are moronic court-jester uncle toms.

That's why when Lewis fought Bruno support was polarized:

Blacks wanted lewis to win and Whites wanted Bruno.

 

Correct yea, in most other sports except rugby and football/soccer we have a British team

 

shameful. where is your respect?

 

That's quite a blanket statement, I was a fan of both, moreso Lewis actually.

 

There were exceptions to the rule..sure.

 

I think alot of the issues with Lewis, is that the "casual fan", used to the explosiveness of Tyson etc, found Lewis' style "boring" and couldn't appreciate it like us hardcore fans could.

 

THAT IS TOTAL BOLLOX.

From the early to late 1980's England didn't have a viable heavyweight contender, Paul Sykes had fucked up, John L Gardener was rubbish, and got beat up by the same Dokes who got fucked up by Coetzee, Joe Bugner had pished off to Australia and was well past his best anyways. Bruno had no talent but excellent timing....

 

Lewis was plenty explosive before he was knocked out by mcCall. That's the fight that made him more tentative.

Nah...they didn't like him because he refused to be an uncle tom like his "predecessor".

 

Wrong. Bruno was a big dumb blockhead...the perfect black man for the English to love. non threatening...the stereotypical all brawn and no brains.

"Know what I mean 'arry....HA HA HA HA"

 

Yes...Lewis preferred to be gay and get knocked out....White Britain rejoiced in a Black Briton taking the Gay Canadians belt. But thats cos it was all part of a master plan to have some white slapper inseminated with big Franks tadpoles.....Sly, you are officially the Petre of General Discussion.:notallthere::notallthere::notallthere: