Why doesn't Calzaghe get any love?

There was also a large contingent who thought Lacy was a bum from the start.

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I remember XPLOSIVE, in particular, acting like Lacy would expose Calzaghe. He wasn't in the minority.

Perhaps you, like me, knew this...but many seemed to think that "left hook" Lacy was "the truth" and Calzaghe was the overprotected "Eurobum"

 

are you beloved by the english? you have a white wife and people love to poke fun at you...that makes you the perfect candidate. ::

 

touche ::

How are you doing my mulatto brother?

 

"Bruno was a hero to most but he never meant shit to me, he's a straight up tom, the sucker was simple and real....motherfuck him and Michael Steele" artie:

 

I can vouch for Muzse... he's actually the founder of the "Jeff Lacy is a bum" bandwagon.

I admit, I was big on Lacy back in the day and thought the Calzaghe fight would be his breakthrough performance. Perhaps partially blinded by friendship, but looking back I'd probably still pick Lacy.

I was a Calzaghe fan once upon a time, well before he even won a belt, but grew disgusted with the way his career turned out basically from 2000-2005.

The Lacy fight definitely opened my eyes and I was equally impressed with the way he handled Kessler (I hedged my bets on the latter fight as I was genuinely torn going in). Upon the end of his career, I'd say I respected him far more than was the case at the start of the 21st century.

 

Ah I get it. Brown skinned folk, eh sly? :laughing: Hamed is a muslim.

 

ROBIN REID DIDN'T WIN SHIT!

 

Didn't stop al the sikhs and hindus jumping on his bandwagon in Britain...to the point where hamed had to come out publically and say that he's Arab and not Indian/Pakistani. ::

 

Hold on...he won the WBC 168lb title and an Olympic Bronze medal. Thats more than Jeff Lacy ever won. And, he fought Calzaghe to a Split-Decision. Lacy, by contrast, fought Calzaghe to a split face.

 

you mean he was robbed against Calzage

 

No. I mean he had his face kicked in by Calzaghe.

As for Robin Reid, he lost out to Joes handspeed, which got the quality vote, all night. Reid kept it competitive with single big right hands, but he was just not persistent enough.

 

Calzaghe is a fantastic fighter and still doesn't get the credit. I guess being a white Welshman doesn't help.

People act like he's some bum. The usual heroes on the MM forum are acting as though a fight between him and Ezzard Charles would be a mismatch in Charles' favour.

A MISMATCH!! :notallthere:

 

Joe's movement would have to be on point for every second of every round. He is actually a nigh-on impossible to find son-of-a-bitch when the mood takes him. I think Charles would win, but Joe can make him look daft for as long as he can avoid being hit.

 

Of course Charles wins, although the manner in which he wins (as is the case often in the MM in relation to older fighters vs contemporary fighters) isn't as unequivocal as stated in the other forum.

The Reid fight merited a rematch but Allegedly Warren rarely does/did rematches where the "right guy" wins first time round.

 

Joe broke his hand in that fight...I can see where their attitude would be that Joe broke his hand, still won, no rematch. A rematch for him would just be another risk of having an injury, with further set back.

 

Widely accepted by idiots...

For about the FIFTIETH time, Calzaghe and Hopkins agreed terms to fight in 2003, only for Hopkins to, the very next day, double his demands and pull the plug on the fight. When I ge home from work, I'll even post proof of this, because I actually have it in a book someone got me for Christmas.

MTF

 

Stafford was clearly bullied as a child when he was in England, because he has a quite ridiculously racist view of English society.

This reared it's head in the build up to the Mayweather-Hatton fight, during which time he regularly entered threads informing all and sundry that he wanted Hatton to bet KO-ed because he was 'clearly a racist' and 'the kind of bigot who hangs around with other bigots in pubs' and other such unfounded nonsense.

MTF :shit:

 

Yup. No fewer than FOUR posters lost sig bets to me in that fight, despite my constant warnings that RJJ, a once great fighter, was way, waaaaaaaaay too shot to stand a hope in hell against that version of Calzaghe.

MTF ::

 

Sad...

MTF

 

Haye, Benn, Watson, Graham, Hamed- just some of the very many recent, successful, black British boxers who were detested by the racist English public...

MTF

 

Febbles will tell you all that myself and himself conversed via Facebook on this very point. We both felt that Roy was shot to shit and that Joe, who was definitely well past his best himself, had just too much left in the tank to lose to Jones.

Hopkins did pull out of a fight with Joe in 2003. He was also well beaten by Joe when they did fight, and would have been DQ'd by any referee other than one who has a sick daughter and needs Oscars money.

Why didn't Joe fight Ottke? Well why didn't Roy fight DM? Never fight in Germany, right?:bangh:

Glad to see that one of this forums senior members agrees with me on Bruno. Bruno was very popular because he came along at just the right time, and was an affable sort of a guy who could be relied upon to lose gallantly and then finally won a world title, sealing his HOF credentials in British sporting society.

Lewis was "hated" because he, like Eubends before him, had a distrust of the fight game, drank tea, was Canadian/British, had a fancy arse Gold medal, for Canada, and then to cap it all off he beats up Frank and then Frank beats McCall to get Lewis belt.

Thats all it was. Frank was never Patterson to Lewis' Liston. Ever.

 

Yep this is always conveniently ignored by people.

Although he could have done alot more to get the Jones fight.

 

This is a direct, word for word quote...

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th 2002 and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank warren and Benard Hopkins lawyer Arnold Joseph. Also present on behalf of Bernard was Linda Carter.

We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money he would want if he did fight. The response we got was $3million plus the fight had to take place in the US. After a while and some head scratching, I said 'okay, done'. Frank Warren agreed on the spot, King agreed and we agreed, so far as we were concerned all the parties were signing off the same hymn sheet.

Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume spoke to Bernard. Either that day or the next, I'm just not exactly sure about the time frame, they came back with a new demand- $6million; double the sum that had been agreed.

In addition to the Calzaghe fight, we had offered him $1million to fight Morrade Hakkar and the winner of that bout we guaranteed to fight Harry Simon. After this time, Hopkins could have the fight with Joe

When he came back asking for $6million the deal simply blew up. I thought that the Hopkins fight was a spectacular prospect but it wasn't to be. Bernard's pretty shrewd, he's no dummy and has done a wonderful job of self management in his career, but he had then no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much was pretty clear. Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought some more, big name American's, but in this case the fault had never rested with him..."

Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice President of Sports and Events Programming cited in Joe Calzaghe- No Ordinary Joe, 2007 p196-197

So lets cut this bullshit about Calzaghe 'ducking' Hopkins in 02-03. It's a complete load of bollocks.

MTF

 

Give it to them Feebles!! Let them have it!!!!!:mj::mj:

 

He was a good fighter, not a great one... His best wins are against an old man in Hopkins (even then it wasnt like he kicked the shit out of him or anything) , an old shot man in Jones, a completely limited slugger in Lacy (who's best win was against who? 50 year old Robin Reid maybe?) and Kessler who is essentially a solid professional fighter... the rest of his resume is filled with wins against completely nondescript opposition in a historically HORRENDOUS division, some of those wins featured very sub-par performances... he was a high volume slapping specialist who made sure to avoid the big challenges when the opportunity was there to make them happen... he is grotesquely overrated around here... I patently refuse to believe that Sly actually thinks this guy is Top 20 P4P since 1940, NO ONE is that ignorant... it has to be provocation and nothing more

Calzaghe was a good champ in a terrible division... nothing more, nothing less

And few were more unlikeable, on top of it... the guy is a complete douchebag

 

I agree with your assessment of his character, but not of his fighting abilities. However, perhaps he didn't do quite enough to be considered great, but I must acknowledge the potential he had, had he tried to really push himself, which I think is greatly underestimated by many these days

 

Wow the Showtime Vice President saying an HBO fighter ducked a Showtime fighter. Case closed. We just ignore 15 years of evidence and take Larkins word for it. Calzaghe was the most ducked fighter in boxing. ::

 

Potential means nothing if it is not realized.

 

Word.