What are your biases?

I'm a fan of all types of styles. I just appreciate the differences to what the athletes brings to the fight game. The name of the game is to make the guy fight your fight no matter what style they have. I'll Holla 5000

 

Oleg Maskaev....no mainstream backing, fed to the sharks, like McCall, Tua, Jefferson, Rahman...and came out, finally, with a WBC title. From utter scrub and opponent to World Heavyweight Champion. The man was utterly bereft of protection, and utterly destroyed the old lie about how white heavyweights have it all setup for them. He epitomized the expression "Keep Punching"

Another good example would be Freddie Pendleton, or maybe the likes of Troy Dorsey, and of course the original cinderella man, Braddock.

Fighters who conceal their weaknesses....Floyd and Wladimir, who hide average chins behind a particular form of defense, high hands, good jab, movement, holding you name it. Fighters who are not ashamed to say "this is what I am, how do I fix it".

 

Biased in favor of come forward aggressors with high unrelenting workrates.

Biased against fighters winning fights by landing less and retreating the entire fight, and win based on the odd 'flashy' counterpunch that doesn't hurt or deterr the aggressor in any way.

Biased against rolling commentary that praises excessive use of 'awesome footwork' or 'smart tie-ups' or sprinting around the perimetre, I think this is known to be glorified as 'ring generalship'.

Biased against breaking boxing rules as something 'cunning and admireable'.

Biased against the illegal shoulder-roll apparatus.

Biased against properghanda written with a xenophobic, racist or moronically 'patriotic' undertone.

Biased against sickening and ruthless hype in press releases.

Biased against the concept of 'p4p' or 'mythical matchups'.

Biased in favor of larger fighters, especially when it comes to fanatical midget-groupies and midget fighters themselves talking shit about 'pathetic, heartless, slow, useless' heavyweights (usually) ,.. and pumping little men up to be 'the REAL fighters, the REAL warriors'... and always nominating these smaller ranges as having the best 'p4p fighters' when they would get fucken STOMPED and SMASHED by heavyweights.

Biased against fighters who have sociopathic personality traits and happily indulge in corruption or exploitation,.. and biased against the mania of groupies who support dictatorships.

Biased in favor of the rare genuine fighters who are good people at heart.

 

:cheer::cheer:

 

Arabham is a 'biased against' .. due to his his spoilt pampered demeanor and his subsequent spoilt conservative style that illustrates his fundamental support on biased judging and officiating,.. so with that in mind, an accurate reception should have been more like this,...

:cheer::shit: (Credit,.. but not in full).

:crafty:

 

It also makes you a partial David Haye fan, good guy at heart...shoddy skills backed up by screaming patrons.

 

A good guy at heart???,.. wtf? :notallthere: ,... he's an absolute unbearable narccistic punk, who indulges in xenophobia and exploitation... he agreed to the fixed co-promotional outcome remember?.. an absolute shit slinging devious, disrespectful bitch.

 

Nah...he is just thick. He has a wife and kid, and he keeps them away from the scum. It's funny. He wont live in England, but he will allow them to pay his way for him. He is smarter than them.

 

Sounds like Richard Kuklinski? ...

That reasoning don't mean much Irishman. Bernard Hopkins looks after his little girl pretty well,.. that dont give him a pair of wings.

 

:laughing::laughing::::laughing::laughing:

LMFAO!!!

 

Let me add a bias to Sly's list. A ridiculous, myopic obsession with the 'L' section of a fighters resume regardless of ALL other concerns and contexts. If you ever see a top 20 heavyweight list from Sly don't be shocked to see Brian Neilson above Joe Wallcott.

 

Sly's favorite fighters feature:

Laces with tassles

A nut-sack that drags Lampley by his mouth across pavement

Top P4P (Sly's faves rarely fall below The Ring's latest and greatest top 5 P4P; and by the way as fast as they fall from the top 5 they fall from being Sly's faves)

 

Why don't you just let me add me own and stick to yours.

I have Robinson in my top three. The dude lost like 20 fights. So there goes that theory. I also have Holyfield higher than most and he's lost quite a few.


You don't see me ranking Rocky Marciano, naseem hamed or Gene Tunney.

Care to revise your bullshit "obsession observation"?

 

Nah I like speed, boxing ability, athleticism. You HATE these things because typically they are owned by black american flashy fighters who Jim Lapley also loves...and happent o be in the top P4P, deservedly.

Motherfucker..

 

You like fighters until they lose. In that sense, you're easy to please. You're not even particularly picky when it comes to opposition. The HBO contract was designed with consumers like you in mind.

 

Did you see me jump off the Hopkins badwagon when he lost to taylor?

So as usual, you base an opinion on NOTHING.

 

The Iceman Cometh.......he he he...how about some Roy De Mayo, with your fist sandwich, David?..Bernard has the wings, he just dont have the Halo. He thinks that you need a PS3 first.

 

True, wings have been inserted onto creatures of the dark, like Gargoyles. But it's even against evil to devour ALL of your children,.. some is acceptable, but not all, otherwise, it faces extinction. Therefore you get one of those gameshow family feud strikes, though on a messageboard, one cant make that epic fail noise,.. but I can do the symbol ---> [x]

 

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You have to admit, Sly...that's pretty fucking funny.

Never pictured you as a Paulie Malignaggi fan.

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That's pretty consistent with you sly...guy loses a fight and you're off the bandwagon like Tiger hopping off one of his hoes.

 

I didn't start criticizing Jones until after the third Tarver fight. he had lost twice by KO before that

Hopkins lost..still a fan. Pacquiao lost to Morales..still a fan. Wlad got fucked up TWICE since I started singing his praises and still a fan.

So how is this consistent with me muzseman?

 

http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/7888/haye-whadyya-say-hope-returns-heavyweight-division/

Eat this.

 

I forgot my most obvious bias. I am really biased against quick-handed slappers who cause no damage (and because they tend to get overrated)...
examples would be Tapia, Mark Johnson, Cory Spinks (although I like him okay since he isn't overrated). With this type of fighter, I think it is imperative to score the fight by who you would rather be and not by looking at punch stats.

 

Good approach generally, like.

 

I usually don't care much for fighters with really ugly and sloppy styles. Joe Calzaghe, Edwin Valero, Vitali Klitschko. Jermain Taylor is an exception, I'd say despite his sloppiness I started to root more for him for his choice in opposition level after he faced Hopkins twice and then Wright in less than a year.

 

I'm definately biased towards guys who have unique, creative, unorthodox, and effective offenses. Guys that will trick there opponents, and unleash meaningful power shots, that get into their opponents heads and make them second guess everything they are doing. Guys like:
Roy Jones,
Zab Judah,
Ricardo Mayorga,
Arthur Abraham
Jorge Castro
Ricardo Torres

Of course all of them have vastly different styles, but they all share this common quality of unorthodox, effective and aggressive offence.

Biased against guys who lack in what I'll call "offensive fluidity". Guys that might just play the 'range' game, and just follow the book. Usually these are guys that have height/reach advantages, guys like:
Wlad Klitchko
Mikkel Kessler
Cristian Mijares
Jermain Taylor (though his other qualities overcome my bias against him)
Beibut Shumenov
Miguel Cotto (I know he doesn't have that height advantage but he falls into this "lack of offensive fluidity" style for me)

 

Good call,
I'm definately biased for guys like Oleg, who get fed to whoever, and still come out on top without mouthing off after it's all done. Plus he had a kick-ass sneaky offensive game. Only problem was that chin, could only take a couple flush punches before it's light out.

 

:bears: Cool post. Never really made links like that between those guys but I see what you mean.

 

Oleg had a so-so chin, but he did not get stopped by anybody who couldn't punch like a mule anyways. Not only did he have it hard from the beginning, he came so, so so close after he beat Rahman. Beating Rahman should have got him a title shot. Instead they made him fight Jefferson and then Johnson. Rahman in the meantime barely got past Sanders, and was reward with a title shot. Once Rahman had the title Lewis rematched him and Oleg was out in the cold. Then he was thrown in with Goofy Whittaker and Corey "T-Rex" Sanders, both of whom were noted danger men. By rights he should have been finished, but he regrouped again, taking David Defiagbon's unbeaten record before arriving in Germany for a fight he was always intended to lose, vs Sinan Samil Sam. Apparently, for the Sam fight, his face wasn't even included on the posters. Oleg beat him......and with that win he secured, incredibly, the first title shot of his career.

This is something worth fleshing out, and it will give some perspective into not just why I am biased in favour of Maskaev, but also why I am biased AGAINST the hype jobs, like David Haye.

David Haye parlayed a Loserweight title, and a win over Monte Barrett into a shot at the heavyweight title.

Maskaev, by brutal contrast fought: Oliver McCall, David Tua, Hasim Rahman, Derrick Jefferson, Kirk Johnson, Lance Whittaker, Corey Sanders, David Defigabon, Sinan Samil Sam and then Rahman again, just to win the WBC title.

In that same period, Hasim Rahman fought Maskaev, Marion Wilson, Corrie Sanders and Frankie Swindell before getting a shot against Lennox Lewis. All this having done no better vs Tua than Maskaev had.

Apparently, the heavyweight division was in great shape at this point in time.:laughing: