What are your biases?

Fixed.

Agree with pretty much else, though it is only since 2004 that Wlad started in with this jab-right hand nonsense. He used to be far more aggressive and mixed it up a lot more, as evidenced by his fights with Mercer, Jefferson, Bostice, Byrd.

 

Yeah. Having average plodders smash the china in your chin tends to have that effect...

MTF

 

Well, what can I say....I have my mind made about you, by you.

 

Don't mind me mate- I'm just reversing your Haye diatribe onto the present object of your own man lust...

MTF:kick:

 

Look, its very simple....why did Klitschko not reverse his wayward ways after the Purritty loss? Or after the Sanders loss? Hell, after the Brewster loss, he was still trading late-doors with Sam Peter, and mixing it just a bit with Brock.

He has simply come to realise that there are other ways to do the job, and has come to adopt Manny's way of thinking.

 

Maybe it took him three times to realise that the other spectacular blow-outs were not flukes and he really hasn't got a chin?

MTF :dunno:

 

More than anything, I think he got sick of the "Quitschko" thing, and figured he would do well to not lose again.

 

Partial to defensively-exceptional fighters. Always have been drawn to them.

 

Wlad since Peter is exactly like Vitali pre-Lennox. I'm not sure why they basically swapped styles, but they did.

 

Stop it! You are making far too much sense.

Soon Irish will be telling us that Wlad lost those fights on purpose as part of his master plan to rule the division.

 

Well I purposely didn't put Vitali Klitschko on my biased-against style as I did Wlad, but I wouldn't go so far as to say he's brings a real unique or unorthodox style.. he just fights very "tall", whereas his brother fights very "rangy".. but yeah Vitali definately has alot more creativity in the ring than Wlad.

I guess you could add Sanders style to my biased-for list though, he has a great punch variety inside and out. His problem though obviously is gas tank, for that reason I've never been a real big fan, you just can't watch him fight past 4 rounds.

 

I pretty much disagree. Wlad has always fought really defensive and "boring".. increasingly moreso after every time he gets put to sleep. I've never seen this really aggressive bomb trading action fighter you're talking about.

 

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I'm biased agains't naturally talented guy's who fight in the safest way possible and never engage their opponent, guy's who use their foot speed, reach and the clinch to make their fights boring outside fights, a la Bute and Wlad Klitshko

Biased against guy's who cherrypicked their opposition, and aren't driven to fight the best, like Floyd above 135lbs ( and part of the reason I've became far less of a Jones fans over the year )

Biased toward guy's with never say die attitude, even thought I think quitting in a fight is ok, I give far more respect to guy's who won't ever quit ( and I don't mean just surviving, but never stopping trying to win ) even when they are taking a vicious beating and are brutally overmatched. Hall vs RJJ comes to mind, and Ruiz-Haye was another example of why Ruiz was my favorite active fighter ( I said was because I wish he retires as he will get hurt if he continues fighting with his no quit mentality combined with his disminished capacities )

Biased toward combination punchers, kind of hard to describe, becaue with this, I don't mean guy's like Pac who, even thought they throw punches in bunches, it seems more like flurry than what I describe as combos. I mean guy's like Cotto who it seems that each punches he threw was thrown with the next punch in mind

Biased toward consistent body punchers, the type who are happy to get hit in the face if they can land a good hook at their opponent ribs

 

Thinking about it, you are right, sure he was exciting before but it was because he was fighting total scrubs who crumbled once they tasted his power. But when he was fighting real fighters, it was the same as now. The McCline fight was a bore. So were his fight sagainst Botha and Barrett ( I thoguht this one wasn't that bad but I was in the minority and it was more because Barrett really tried to win), it was the same systematic, measure style that he uses now

 

Yeah I think I know what you mean with this. Would it be fair to cite JMM, Alexis Arguello and Ricado Lopez as other examples of this? Kinda methodical combo punches who seem to finish each punch balanced to throw the next one quite deliberately?

 

Mercer was one of the toughest SOB of his generation. Wlad opened up with the guy, he even made the "mistake" of jabbing with him. Wlad threw and landed every punch in the book in that fight, triple left hooks, overhand right, straight right, right hook, left hook to the body, left hook downstairs-upstairs, right uppercut.

I guess Eddie Chambers is really more dangerous than Mercer.:boohoo:

 

It seems that BWJ cannot post trash without it being at least partially true. Rule it he does. And there is nothing JJ Haye can do about it.

 

when he fought Wlad, he was more than 40 years old and had his shot at Wlad on the merit of knocking out some dudes called Pegues and Steele out of the ring. No doubt that the present version of Chambers would have outpointed this version of Mercer

 

exactly on the money

 

I have to admit I am really biased against fighters who seem featherfisted. The harder punchers appeal to me more usually.

 

What?

Who was more dangerous, more of a threat?

Mercer or Chambers?

No one asked about the validity of Mercers "shot" at Wlad.

No one suggested that Chambers could not beat Mercer.

The question is which of them was more threat.

The answer is Mercer, patently.

 

I'm biased towards PBF.

 

I think Floyd is a great fighter, and has a fantastic skill set, is dedicated to his craft.

However, his out-of-the-ring behaviour and alliances mean I can never like him, or be in favour of him.

Boxing is one of those sports where your out-of-ring resume can count as much against you with the fans as your in-the-ring resume.

However, on a pure, unadulterated boxing note......no fighter with a defense like his should be disliked.

 

Kaup is totally right though, allot of the things he does (back turning, ducking below waist level, forearm pushes), especially in the 2nd half of his career are borderline illegal and sets a bad precendent. Its a particularly pernicious type of cheating too since they're all done to AVOID fighting, not to sneakily hurt a guy like most cheat moves. All would be fixed if his opponent was licensed to just batter his kidneys, spine, and back of his head until he quit it. 'Defend your self at all times, Floyd'.

 

That is true too.....but he never used to get hit a lot anyways. As I said, his out-of-the-ring allegiances are responsible for him being able to get away with the forearm bars. Here you are Joe Cortez, there is another few bob for the sick kid....:boohoo::boohoo:

 

Yeah his personality is much more offensive than his cheating. In fact to an extent you have to admire his smarts since I think it's gotten worse to compensate for the decline of his footspeed at higher weigths, and if the refs are too incompetent to notice it it's hard to blame him for that.

 

Now that you mention it, trash is a perfect description for the current dismal state of the heavyweight. And yes, Wlad and Vitali currently rule the division...much like the proverbial one-eyed man in the land of the blind.

 

The Heavyweight division is a bit like the Scottish Premier League at the moment, but that is hardly the fault of the brothers Klit.

 

I dont mind the division being disparaged.

What I find objectionable, is {a} the revisionist sentiments of certain journalists/online fans etc, which attempt to portray the 1980's and 1990's as some sort of a Halcyon era, and {b} the aggressively marketed notion that neither Wladimir nor Vitali could have won a title in any other era.