Dude.....most people are not even vaguely aware of the breadth of talent the Fullmers faced and, by and large, beat. Their resume was so good that you could not satisfactorily vote for them as an "other". Just saying like...... Pedants will make the argument that Don Fullmer never won a world title...well he didn't have 4 of them to aim for and he did beat a lot of former/future Champs.
Average Joe on the street wouldn't know the name Klitschko or even how it is spelt. That last HW champion they would name would be Lennox Lewis even then probably because he fought Tyson. The bros have been successful but they are not known outside of followers of the sport.
The Stastny's were better players (especially Peter, who was phenomenal) but there were only three of them... there were SIX who all had good careers, so as a family they are better because they had so many succeed,,, thats all im sayin, dawg
FINE!:fightme: Duane and Brian beat any Stastny in a fight, although props to Marian Stastny for getting the better of Craig Ludwig when Ludwig tried to jump him in the famous "Good Friday Brawl" in 1984... or was it Anton Stastny?
I don't know. I just know they played in the Adams division and regularly got the better of the Whalers. :bangh: Also, Peter's rookie card was 1981-82. His O-Pee-Chee card is much more valuable and scarcer then the Topps version. :bears:
Nope. Wasn't designed to EXCLUDE heavyweights it was designed to share the glory with the lower weight classes which were previously largely ignored by the general populace in favour of the heavyweights. Excluding the heavyweight class from the P4P debate actually nullifies the reason for P4P in the first place, if you think about it...
... and are also largely responsible for driving the division into obscurity. Where the division historically ranks is irrelevant to this discussion for a number of reasons - namely because heavyweights no longer carry even 1/10th of the star power than was the case even a decade ago. When was the last time a fight for the lineal heavyweight championship failed to solicit any American network interest? The Klits are perhaps the most dominant brothers act in boxing history. It's tough to disagree with that. I don't outright dismiss that they're the correct answer to this topic, although the Marquez brothers were my pick, for the reasons cited by TWIN and a few others.
That's because Rafael only defended once and then lost his title in a blowout to DLH. Rafael wasn't a one-punch guy, unfortunately. Neither was Gabe, but Gabe was involved in some awesome fights: Nelson, Leija, and Gatti.
Who are these fucking nobody's that you all insist on introducing to the debate? Staals, Stasnys, Shitnees, wtf?
I see Jake, like Max Kellerman, discarded his suspicions of the major networks as soon as it was fiscally advantageous to do so.....
Your first paragraph was correct. It was assumed that the HW champ was the baddest man on the planet. Lb 4 Lb was always the 'best of the rest'. I'm aware of the contradiction in excluding HWs but they were gone for a reason.
I dont know. But they should be mentioned by NAME. I think I voted for the Klitschkos in the absence of the Fullmers.
Let's say they weren't...they are definitely better than Orlin and Terry. Once again, look at the guys they fought: Ray Robinson, Basilio, Dick Tiger, Paul Pender, Gil Turner, Joey Giardello, Benny Paret, Nino Benvenuti, Rex Layne, Jimmy Ellis, Virgil Akins, Bobo Olson, Emile Griffith, Jose Torres, Terry Downes, Phil Moyer {who also had a brother who won a title, I believe} There must be 10 HOF names on their collective resumes.
Out of the choices, I chose the Marquez brothers HOWEVER, Mike Spinks is the best fighter of all of them
It's got to be the Klits... both HW champions at the same time, both have become dominant and nearly unbeatable and they pretty much have a strangle hold on the division. I think anyone who votes otherwise must have some biases.