The idea is that the fight goes on until either one guy is knocked out, referee stops the fight, corner stops the fight, or someone quits. Unlimited 3 minute rounds in effect. Would the winner in any of these changed? DLH-Trinidad Abraham-Dirrell (assuming foul was not committed) Pacquiao-Clottey (could his peek-a-boo defense eventually tire Pac out?) Others?
Impossible to tell really since that way the fighters would have also changed their strategies completely. For example Abraham could just remain standing in one corner and save energy for 20 rounds or so. Eventually I think he could chase Dirrell down before Dirrell would outrun him. Oscar would have knocked out Tito and Clottey's corner would have pulled him out
Pac would beat Clottey on unlimited rounds. Tito-DLH....hard to say. Leonard - Hearns 2...Leonard eventually takes him out. 2 more rounds would be all that's needed. McCall takes out Bruno eventually... Good thread.
Trinidad-De La Hoya- Tito would have won. Hell, if the fight would have been 15 rounds I think Oscar would have gotten stopped. Leonard-Hearns 2- Leonard would have eventually taken him out. Pacquiao-Clottey- Pacquiao would have won regardless.
Vitaly would have won that fight eventually in unlimited rounds and no cuts. Lewis was exhausted after 3 rounds
Nah, if it had been a longer fight Oscar would have spared his energy early much more and still dominated Tito. Or had they exchanged shots, Oscar could have won there too
He didn't dominate Tito. And even when he landed his shots they had no effect on Tito, whereas when Tito would hit Oscar, it would make him retreat even more. Had Oscar stood and fought, he would have gotten the worst of it much the same way Vargas did and Oscar knew it.
He absolutely dominated Trinidad, in my books --- at least through nine rounds. I thought Trinidad was made to look amateurish, in fact. It was embarrassing for him. Trinidad always, always had great lungs, & he closed much stronger. However, that's really the only reason that fight was relatively close on my scorecard, & I will still say to the day I die, De La Hoya was robbed.
Why stand and fight? he made Trinidad look like the robot he was for nine rounds and then decided to coast since he had the fight in the bag (or SHOULD have at least) Trinidad did only what Hoya LET him do in that fight... And there's ample reason to believe that Hoya, who had a much better chin and packed a pretty mean left hook himself, could have taken Trinidad out if he had stepped on the gas... especially in this mythical, no decisions allowed context
hold on there, there was no indication that Oscar could have stopped Tito, he never even hurt him or stunned him if i rebember correctly. The fight was a robbery tough
That's because of the tactics Oscar chose. Considering how effective puncher Oscar was later and how often Tito was hurt, it is very plausible that Oscar could rock him
Would've been interesting. De La Hoya's hook wasn't as lethal at 147lbs (& Trinidad's optimum weight was 154, IMO) as it had been in lower divisions, but it was still a damaging blow. What it did to a tough hombre in Vargas at 154lbs. spoke highly of it, & De La Hoya lost little on combinations between 130-147. De La Hoya did stun Trinidad a few times as a result of punches he couldn't see coming, & he never truly went after Trinidad, either. Now, with that much said & clear, I have all the respect in the world for Trinidad's heart. I have never put him on the same plane with his contemporaries for talent, or even skill. He's a guy I'd class with the tools to be good, but the will to be great. His phenomenal conditioning, do-anything-to-succeed attitude & burning desire to be the best he could & then some stand him in pretty good stead to go the distance with anyone below 160. If pushed, I'd say De La Hoya going after a hitter like Trinidad is just too risky, all-in-all --- just in the sense that Trinidad would need to take an awful protracted beating for the stoppage or KO, & he would be dangerous that entire time. I would have to lean away from De La Hoya, a smaller man who had essentially settled into a boxer-mover's role by the time he entered the 147lb. district, ever getting Trinidad out of there. He absolutely was the better fighter on both paper & in reality, though. He won their fight.
And yet at 147, Oscar could not take out any top welterweights. His "power" is based solely it seems on what he did against Ike Quartey(Inactive for 16 months and coming off a horrible performance against Jose Luis Lopez). There's no performance at 147 that makes me say "Wow, Oscar could bang". vs Whitaker- His close fights with Rivera and Hurtado showed how far he was gone. vs Quartey- Already covered that one. vs Trinidad- Arguably won, but once again looked impotent in the power department. Lets also add that for years prior to this fight Tito had been absolutely killing himself to make the weight. If anybody was going to get stopped in that fight, it was Oscar. He was a better boxer than Tito, but had he tried to go for the KO, he would have been overpowered and KO'd himself instead.
Wow this became a DLH-Trinidad thread... Anyhow, same criteria applied to these fights... Haye-Valuev, would the big guy tire out and just quit? I can't see Haye knocking him out, or would he eventually wear Haye down? DLH-Whitaker, neither guy really did any damage to the other, who would win if they knew it wasn't going to cards?
what basis is there for Trinidad stopping Hoya or any fighter remotely in his class?? All of his great victories against that class of fighter? oh wait, there arent any! Hoya wasnt stopped until he was an old man against a buzzsaw in his prime and even then he was on his feet getting pummelled Hoya never mad any real attempt to go after Trinidad... but if it had come down to it, I'll take his chin and skills over Trinidad's punch
