Rocky Marciano vs. Joe Calzaghe, no weight limit - for Sly

Ok, so Joe can weigh 180 if he wants to, Rocky would be his customary 185-190

How badly does Joe get destroyed here? Make no mistake, he gets knocked out... but the question is WHEN

 

Joe via 1st round KO :30 seconds into the fight

 

marciano wasn't really good, people overates him cause he's undefeated. (Tough by all account, he should have lost to Lastarza). But, the same thing applies to calzaghe, and for as much as the reock comp was ordinary at best, he was at least willing to throw down with the elite of his division (minus Liston)é He would have koed Calzaghe in the middle to late rounds

 

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I hate when people try to say Marciano avoided Liston

Its such revisionist horseshit

Liston was but a blip on the radar at that point in time when Marciano retired

 

I didn't say he avoided him, just that he wasn't willing to continue fighting top oppostion. He was very young when he retired, that's hurt his legacy imo.

 

Marciano would win.:kidcool:

Thanks for dedicating a thread to me Cdogg. :bears:

 

I think due consideration should be given to his style, his management issues, & back problems.

Harsh, IMO, to criticise Marciano on the grounds of retiring at 49-0-0, on the back of a triumph over Archie Moore. All moot, anyway. This thread...ugh.

 

Marciano by early KO. Joe would get brutalized.

 

Marciano TKO 7. Calzaghe might win a couple rounds around the 4th or 5th....he's a decent fighter, lets not swing too far the other way in reaction to his insane overration (sic) by some. Also - Calzaghe could easily build up to a solid 190 - Id imagine he was at least 180 against Hops & old Roy despite training to lose weight.

 

Yeah, lets avoid all of that, by describing Calzaghe as you do. This 'decent' fighter is one you'ld place in the top forty of so of all time, lest we forget...

Decent :dunno: Howay man...

MTF

P.S not that this changes the result of THIS particular bout. Joe would indeed be brutalised.

 

anybody putting calz in the top 40 of all time have a very shallow knowledge of boxing, and is a feeble minded clown who's brainwashed into thinking that his 0 defeat (even tough he was beaten by Robbed Reid) means that he's unbeatable. The guy would be lucky to be in the top 100

 

Maybe, but fact remains that 2 hw ,who were clearly better than the ones of the previous era, were starting to move up the ranking. I'm not saying that he was necesserly afraid of them, only that he took the easy way out by retirng undefeated.

 

Ok he's a good fighter.

 

Who did you have in mind? I assume you're speaking of Patterson & Liston, but want to be certain before I say any more.

 

Oh, please. Don't even try that "Marciano ducked Liston" crap. Liston had been a pro for less than 3 years and was not even a contender at the time Marciano retired. AND Liston went to prison in 1956 and did not return to the ring until 1958. When, EXACTLY, was Marciano was supposed to have fought Liston?

Also, back injury and management issues had a lot to do with Marciano's retirement.

Ugh. This is the sort of revisionist history that gives me a headache. Folks look at fighters whose careers overlap, even if it is only for a short time, and then make assumptions that one fighter was "ducked".

 

No.

MTF

 

That's as sizeable a retraction as I suspect I'll get...

MTF ::

 

Have you actually read my post

 

yep

 

Um, yes.

And suggesting that Marciano ducked or retired to avoid Liston is nothing but revisionist history.

 

You really can't look at the reports of the day & contend Marciano ducked Liston. It wasn't like today, where fighters have manufactured pedigrees & press releases every other day, pumping themselves up for promotion long before a title shot. Liston had something like ten or fifteen fights by the time Marciano had bested Moore. Today, that would be premature for a fighter to earn a title shot, but it would be especially rare in those days. If you follow the early reports on Liston, you'll notice no one mentions his name & the word, "contender" for some time until after Marciano has left the scene.

He not only lacked the experience, but also the exposure at this stage to warrant a meeting with the champion. What is it you're basing your contention on?

Patterson was --- at least, potentially --- a different case. He did have the press & interest in him from a young age. Depite being younger than Liston, he'd been busier, starting pro at an earlier age. His best wins, however, only came in the twelve months preceding Marciano's retirement. The truth is there was only limited serious talk of the 20-year-old Patterson facing off against Marciano when the champ retired, & no outcry when the match never materialised. It was not considered a big deal, as Patterson was extremely young, & only moderately-experienced.

I don't think Marciano ducked or actively avoided either man, but he definitely did not duck Liston. He truly believed he would have had the beating of Patterson.

 

Yes and yes. Good post.

 

It was posted through gnashing teeth so you're probably right ::

 

Thank you.

 

I read something in a boxing mag to that effect. I'll try to find it. You might be right tough. Still, we must admit that if marciano had stayed around a little longer, and had added names like patterson, johansen and Liston, his legacy would be completely different. Hell, I think it would have been interesting even seeing him fight guys like Machen and cleveland williams

 

Wasn't Marciano rumored to make a comeback to fight johansen if he won the rematch (or rubber match) against Johansen?

 

What does that have to do with anything? First of all, rumors are a dime a dozen as they say. I prefer to stick to the facts.

Secondly...I have no idea what mythical matchup rumor you are discussing because you mention Johanssen twice.

 

I wouldn't disagree with that --- but no one can criticise him for not fighting them, unless Marciano owned a Crystal Ball. Simply, Liston was small-fry, if known at all, while Patterson wasn't yet at the level he would reach in the next few years. Johansson was next-to-unheard of on the scene in early-1956.

They would have added to Marciano's legacy, but no one knew that at the time.

 

This is why JOM's claims are revisionist history.