Ok I know this has been done to death, but my opinion is just THIS damn important.:: Rd1. Floyd Rd2. Floyd Rd3. Floyd Rd4. Even Rd5. Castillo Rd6. Castillo Rd7. Castillo Rd8. Even- minus Castillo point Rd9. Mayweather RdT. Mayweather-point Rd11.Mayweather Rd12.Castillo Floyd - 115-113 Comments 1) Great performance by Floyd, better than I remember. He showed tremendous composure and grit after getting properly roughed up through those middle rounds. Adjusting under that kind of pressure is what great fighters are made of, full credit. 2 Harold Letterman seriously can't score a fight for shit. All he sees is his is own preconceptions: 'who imposing his will', 'who fighting the other guys fight', blah blah. Watch the fucking punching, ass face. 3) Great officiating re: Floyd's two peculiar cheat moves; the defensive forearm ram and the back turning. Took a point for the former and just allowed Castillo to punch through Floyd's back turn. Perfect responses. 4) The whole 'one hand Floyd' angle is a crock of bullshit. He threw the left just as hard and just as often as always. The southpaw spells were just an experiment in a hard fight which didn't work and he was told as much by Roger in those middle rounds and subsequently stopped it. Im not gonna lie: Im disappointed my score card came out this way, I hoped I'd see a Castillo win, but it is what it is.
Good card Hut. I don't typically re-score fights because officials don't have that luxury, but I too had Floyd winning the night of the fight. Very poorly called fight by HBO.
Floyd doesn't southpaw switch unless he is protecting his left. He was undoubtedly injured. Nevertheless, he won the fight clearly. Your scorecard is good, my scorecard had Floyd winning the fourth as well giving him an even better lead. Lederman's scorecard was bad that night just as it was on the night Floyd beat Hatton.
Well, I cannot remember the individual rounds, but I do recall having Castillo up by two. I was mildly surprised they gave it to Mayweather. At the time, I was a heart supporter of Mayweather's (that is no longer the case), & I was certainly worried as we came into the last round. My feeling overall, & subsequent scoring, was for Castillo. With that said, peoples' hatred for Mayweather has led them to severely skew what happened that night. "Robbery" is instantly attached to that fight, simply because it's the closest he's ever come to a loss. My take is this fight should have reasonably gone to Castillo, but it was close enough, maybe, for Mayweather to have edged it, or for it to have been a draw. "Robbery" is slightly too harsh, IMO. Mayweather did better than history likes to recall, but I still thought he came up short.
Arbitrarily picking a winner in even rounds is one of the main causes of shite scoring. If I had my way there would be far more even rounds for EVEN rounds and far more 10-8 rounds for dominant rounds.
Well-said brother. I could not agree more. When I score at home, if I don't feel one guy clearly won, I make it 10-10.
I agree with much of what you said which is why I won't say Floyd lost this fight. I'm pretty sure I didn't keep score when I watched it and even though it looked like Floyd lost, the fight was close enough that me not keeping score made it debatable.
Beyond the Grave Started a Thread about this Topic, Not Soooo Looooooooong Ago & Here's what REED Posted... These R the Type of Fights that Force REED to KEEP his Round by Round Accounts...Opinions Get Thrown Every Which Way, w/NATHAN of Substance Supporting it... "Castillo was Robbed"..."I Had the Volume DOWN, Floyd WON"...Blah, Blah, Blah.... Here's REED's Account, Start to Finish... *Castillo 9 lbs Heavier on Fight Night 1. Castillo's only Punch of Consequence is a Left Jab Early....Floyd Responds w/a Lead Lft Hook...Floyd's Speed is the Story of the Round & Castillo is Fairly Cautious as Floyd Lands Lead Lefts & Rights....Several Left Jabs to the Body from Mayweather... Mayweather's Round 10-9 2. Mayweather Asks his Cornermen 2 Massage his Left Shoulder btwn Rounds...Castillo Trips as he Blocks a Shot from Mayweather....The Fighters Butt Heads, Opening a Slight Cut on Floyd...Castillo Wins the Early Portion of the Round on Sheer Activity, Landing Bodyshots & a Couple Left Jabs...Floyd gets his Own Left Jab Working Again 2 the Head & Body...Floyd Lands a Left Hook & a Good Counter Right, Off the Ropes...Couple Overhand Rights (Head & Body) from Floyd... Mayweather's Round 10-9 3. Floyd Dominates the Round, Almost Exclusively w/his Left Hand...Jabs to the Head & Body & Some Good Counters...Nice Right Hand Late from Floyd...Castillo is INeffectively Aggressive, just Following & Missing... Mayweather's Round 10-9 4. Castillo is More Aggressive, but Lands Virtually NATHAN, til a Jab & an Uppercut Late...Floyd Wins Looooooooooooonger Stretches of the Round on Left Hand Dominance... Mayweather's Round 10-9 5. Good Round for Floyd...He's Mobile, Causing Castillo to Miss & When he Does, Floyd Makes him Pay...Left & Right Hand Counters...Left Jabs from Floyd...Big Counter Later Causes Castillo to Spin... Mayweather's Round 10-9 6. Tough Round to Score...Floyd Wins Early on Left Jabs...Castillo Lands a Good Right Hand....Floyd Lands Some Jabs & Counters....Castillo is MUSCLING Floyd & Landing Some Shots....Bit Counter Late by Floyd but he Looks VERY Uncomfortable.... EVEN Round or Slight Edge to Floyd 7. Big Round for Castillo...He's Finding the Range & Landing w/Both Hands on Floyd...HARD Shots... Castillo's Round 10-9 8. Clearly Castillo's Round...He Matches Floyd's Output of Headshots, N Addition to Landing Body Blows...Castillo LOSES a Point for Landing a Left Hook on the Break... Castillo's Round, but w/a Point Deduction, 9-9 9. BIG Right by Castillo Causes Mayweather to Hold & Look Unsteady...Floyd Responds w/2 Lead Left Hooks....Tough Round to Score...Castillo More Aggressive, Landing Body Blows....Mayweather Countering Well....More Hard, Flush Shots from Castillo... EVEN Round or Slight Edge to Castillo 10. Pretty Good Round for Floyd...He's Landing @ Will, Countering Beautifully...Castillo Closes Distance Late & Lands...Count Drakulich Deducts a Point from Floyd for Pushing Off w/his Elbows.... Floyd's Round, but w/a Point Deduction, 9-9 11. Tough Round to Score...Floyd is Flat-Footed, Trading w/Castillo on Even Terms...Castillo Also Lands to the Body... Castillo's Round 10-9 12. Castillo's Round on Aggression & Bodypunching... Castillo's ROund 10-9 Recap: REED Gave Floyd Rounds 1-5 AND Round 10 (Point Deducted in the 10th) CLEARLY...REED Gave Castillo Rounds 7, 8, 11 & 12 (Point Deducted in Round 8) CLEARLY... REED Scored Rounds 6 & 9 EVEN, but Could Make a Case for Floyd Winning 6 & Castillo Winning the 9th...Giving Castillo EVERY Benefit of the Doubt, the MOST REED Can Give him is a 1-Point Win...As is, REED Scored it 115-113 for Floyd... REED Suggests SCORING the Fight Before Proclaiming it a "Robbery"...It WASN'T...It was a CLOSE Fight that Could've Went EITHER Way by a POINT... REED:hammert:
Hut vs REED R1 Floyd R2 Floyd R3 Floyd R4 Even/Floyd R5 Castillo/Floyd R6 Castillo/Even or Floyd R7 Castillo R8 Even/Even or Castillo (-1 Castillo) R9 Floyd/Even or Castillo R10 Floyd (-1 Floyd) R11 Floyd/Castillo R12 Castillo So you guys agreed on a whopping 7 of 12 rounds. Start arguing between yourselves and get back to us.
That's just It...Floyd-Castillo was THAT Type of Fight...SEVERAL Rounds Could've Been Scored EITHER Way... What's CERTAIN is that the Bout WAS NOT a "Robbery":nono:...& That's the Point REED Made...Funny How U're BITCHING, yet REED SCORED the Fight 115-113 for Floyd, JUST AS HUT Did... REED:shit:
The most important thing about this fight was the rematch. The first fight was probably a tossup but Floyd clearly won the rematch.
How can speed be, "the story of the round?" Fights are not judged on speed. The reality is, guys with better hand-speed tend to get close decisions. But that doesn't make it true or correct.
I agree that the fight was not a robbery. I agree that it had some tough rounds. I think you are being dense by saying I shouldn't bitch since you and Hut ended up with the same score despite disagreeing on 5 rounds.
At the time, I remember having JLC up by a point but it was a close fight... I think a bigger deal was made of it because a lot of people expected Mayweather to defeat him more decisively
he most certainly did... especially with jabbing to the body... he did that exceptionally well and I always thought it was a big key to his clear victory that night
