On the flip side how will Floyd's legacy be affected if he loses to Mosley?

"some losses in mega fights" for delahoya? :: did he ever have any decisive, impressive victories vs prime opposition? he lost all his important fights or looked shitty in winning


mayweather jr cant prove shit to me at welterweight at this point, the competition simply isnt there for him to be able to do anything for me to consider him one of the best 10 or 20 welterweights.

at lightweight sure, he was great.

 

Mosley is not done as a fighter (as far as we know because he hasn't fought in quite a while), but to suggest he is "slightly past prime" is self-serving at best.

 

Let me clarify one thing: Floyd gets respect from me for making this fight. He deserves credit and if you go to the initial threads when this fight was announced you will find me giving it where it was due. This is a legitimate fight for Floyd.

Where I do take issue is making this fight something it isn't. This isn't Floyd v Shane with both at their best. Shane has been successful and is certainly still effective but he is well past his best days.

Credit for Floyd when he wins but Shane is nowhere near his best. Age does matter.

 

I like both guys.. but i hope hope hope that Shane straight up SODOMIZES FLoyd!:hump:

 

Because Floyd's doing what he does best, spin the truth. Floyds the one telling reporters he's getting 40 million so he can appear worth more than he really is. Floyd also made this quote about Shane Mosley during in interview "He has been dropped and wobbled on numerous occasions" ::. Floyd also went on another spinning factor by already trying to deflect any criticisms of him fighting Shane at this point in time by claiming he tried to fight Shane when they were both undefeated but Shane turned the fight down because of money.

I swear, Floyd would make a great politician because this guy knows how to fool the public and spin shit.

 

If Shane was a bum then perhaps that would be the case. Instead, he's the guy Pacquiao absolutely wanted no parts of last year and is coming off a sparkling win at 38 years old. Not to mention is a future HOFer. A Mayweather win here is not a given.

 

This is similar to Roy Jones Jr fighting Mike McCallum.

 

Aside from age (Mosley/McCallum)...how so?

 

And I bet you mean that literally....

 

Plasterito looked like a fucking scrub without his magic handwraps.

I was jumping for joy when I watched that fight, as a Shane fan and a Plasterito hater, and Shane DID look good, no doubt - but he looked good against a human punch bag. I don't think it's the best barometer for how much Mosley has left.

The thing is Sly, there is a big difference between WAY past prime and shot.

Take Calzaghe for example. When he beat Hopkins, Joe was indeed far past his prime, but clearly wasn't close to being shot.

I don't think Mosley is shot, not as shot as the likes of Oscar etc, despite being older and in more wars. So in a sense yes age is just a number, different fighters age in different ways and become shot in different timescales.

But the point remains - Mosley is a decade past his prime, not slightly past prime, that doesn't mean he is shot though.

 

True enough, true enough, a fair lamp that.

 

I agree that Shane is not the fighter he was 10 years ago. I'm just saying that seeing as he's still considered a top Welterweight and stopped the guy that most have said is the most avoided and feared Welterweight in the world...he's past prime but still formidable.

 

Of course he is. I think people forget that nobody wanted to fight him last year. Not a soul.

 

I'm not arguing that at all. He IS still a top fighter, he's not a washed up bum.

I'm only arguing the "slightly" past prime bit, obviously you've already said, he's not the fighter he was ten years ago.

The fact that Shane is still a top fighter, even though he is considerably past his prime, is credit to his ability and longevity as a fighter.

 

No question, the age could show at some point - possibly May 1. But Shane has preserved himself well. And not having too many fights at his age is a positive, not a negative.

Also, I think Floyd's legacy will hurt as well. Naturally. How much, who knows? I for one think he needs this win because while I consider him great, I don't believe he's an ATG. And a win over a legit top welter like Shane could catapult him to that.

 

I agree. You can hear from the way Roger's talking that they have the utmost respect for Shane. Actually, Roger has always maintained that he believes Shane is Floyd's toughest challenge.

I used to be a big Floyd fan until about 2006. I was a big fan of both Margarito and Cotto and to see him retire without fighting either one was disgraceful IMO. Ragged on him for a long time but he's back in my good graces - first by pushing for more stringent testing. Second, completely surprising me by agreeing to fight Shane after the fight fell through.

 

Floyd's legacy right now is not in good standing but it would be DEVASTADED further by losing to Mosley.

He is EXPECTED to win. He is a 4 to 1 favorite in the fight.

You can't believe anything coming from Mayweather's camp regarding testing, rematch clause, etc... there is always a political protection of their fighter.

There are rumors that he ran 10 miles after the LA press event. If that's true, you have to give it to guy. I have critized for the way he fights and how he is avoiding Pacquaio, but the guy trains like a madmen. Perhaps he is also motivated and inspired by Pacquaio's work ethic, knowing he has to CONTINUE and enhance his training for the fights ahead.

Unless Mosley makes Mayweather constantly unconfortable as far as range, the more FIGGIDY Mayweather is the more successful Mosley is, but right now I lean heavily towards a Mayweather snoozefest UD.

 

Yup! going 1-1 would enhance both mens legacy....be the best win on both guys resume.

 

Floyds legacy will suffer if he wins the same type of close fight he did against DLH

 

10 to 15 million :: you realize how many ppvs this fight is going to sell?

 

ridiculous

 

How many ppv buys are you projecting, and who are YOU picking?

 

1.7+. mayweather jr. w12

 

I don't think this fight will beat the record of 2.4 million buys. I agree Mayweather jr should win this fight.

Who will he fight next if he continues on his ducking, uhm... testing crusade?

 

agree... he has to win decisively...

 

It's a very good win if Floyd wins. Not his best but a very good one. And it's a bad loss if he losses, mainly because if he losses it gives his critics to say the right to say Floyd was never legit as one of the elite at 147. A win combined with a win over Pacquiao after this one looks even better. That would be 2 consecutive wins against the 2 best Welterweights in the world including one of the top 15 fighter of all time at his absolute best moment. The ball is on Floyd's court to make history.