I was wondering, once again, how much fighters go with their natural abilities and how much you can train. For example I have read articles about how to gain more speed to your punches but I am not sure if those methods work. So lets gather some examples of fighters who a) got clearly faster as they progressed b) got clearly more punching power c) got clearly better punch resistance Power might be the easiest one but can you find examples to the other two
Fuck no. Just asking if somebody somewhere has actually developed these abilities, with or without roids
Great thread ! Golota learned the rules Ruiz learned that if you clinch A LOT you're not gonna get knocked cold in 19 seconds Floyd fought Castillo the first time and learned to pick his opponents more carefully David Tua improved his defense. People call me crazy but in his last fight go to round 4. Fast forward to 2:15 into the round and play in slow motion. Most call it an optical illusion but I swear he slipped one.
Speed is the one thing that CANNOT be developed. You either have it or you dont. You can try to develop skills to attempt to neautralize speed, but you cant get faster. Power can improved in CERTAIN fighters by improving technique, but a guy who lacks power will never develop a devesating puncher. True punchers are simply born with power.
No, actually its quite the opposite. Early in his 140 days Zab had excellent reflexes, and could be elusive. Now his reflexes have declined, and he's not hard at all to find.
So you're saying power is in the genes? So if Mike Tyson had a baby with Ann Wolfe (DO NOT VISUALIZE THIS I REPEAT DO NOT VISUALIZE THIS) the baby would punch through brick walls?
How did Pacquiao simultaneously gain wieght and increased speed then?.. :crafty: Say it,.. come on Halle,... say it...
both speed and power can be developed. You are partly right but not fully. For example..a guy like Usain bolt is naturally gifted, genetically, to run fast. but if he wasn't trained properly to maximize this gift he'd run no faster than 10.5 or something...as opposed to 9.58. So hitting the speed ball etc maximises speed..but you're right in the sense that a Frank bruno would never punch as fast as a Mike tyson. Same with power. Power is genetic, yes, but learning to punch with your entire body (technique) as opposed to just arm punching, for example, maximises your power potential...
I agree with your example about runners but can you name a fighter who had clearly gained speed during his career. Because I can't come up with one even though I don't believe speedballs are useless
Speaking of runners. Go watch Floyd Manfredy and then go watch Floyd Baldomir. Clearly his running has improved.
Pacquiao maintained speed. He looks faster only because the higher you go up in weight the fighters are slower thus looks faster by comparison.
When they start their careers they've already maximised their speed with speed bags etc (training 101). They can't go any faster than that. The only way I could see it being possible is if a fighter started off at a much heavier weight than they should have been and moved DOWN in weight while they were still young. I can't think of an example of this...Hopkins started at Cruiserweight but that was only for one fight.
Sugar Ray Leonard for example. Was always fast...even through the early 80s..but he was NEVER again as fast as he was in the Olympics.
Nah. He's quicker, throws combinations of punches quicker aswell. I remember he threw a flurry of about 5 shots against Cotto,.. 4 missed, the 5th one knicked,.. and Cotto went down,.. amazing advancement of speed and power,..
Same way PED's make you run faster, he's also got never before seen strength and stamina to aid his tireless lightning fast strikes. I remember his first fight with Marquez,.. he had power for a featherweight, but nobody regarded his handspeed as the fastest in the sport then,..everybody does now,..even quicker than Mayweather,..an amazing feit to accomplish adding 20lbs of weight onto his small frame.
