Pac does not punch as hard as Mosley. Mayweather will have every physical advantage, which, by the way is a reason why Pac does not want the blood test so close to the fight. Pac did say that Mayweather was the bigger guy and it would be to Mayweather's advantage if the blood test was taken so close to the fight. Floyd is the sharper of the two and the better boxer. After the Mosely right hand, Mayweather showed that he could go to a totally different style in order to break his opponent down. Mayweather went to the freaking peek-a-boo and walked Mosley down!!! I believe that Mayweather will pot shot the hell out of Pacquiao and like all of the others, it will limit his punch output. Unfortunatley, it won't even be a close fight. Remember, pac isn't the hardest guy to hit, especially when he fights a master sharpshooter with a laser right hand counter. Let's not discount the power behind those shots, too. Before this fight, I felt that Pac would just have too much volume for Mayweather and would be so far ahead, he'd win a decision. With that said, Mayweather will knock him out in the 9th or 10th round and the haters will go back to their "he fought a little man rountine". We'll get to find out once again how Pac was once a flyweight and that he's been knocked out before, so we should not have been surprised with Floyd knocking him out. Everyone knows about the straight right against the southpaw when you can keep your lead foot on the outside of his. However, that check left hook is going to be just as big a key. The straight right to the body, then check left hook up top, works wonders against southpaws. Keep this thread and remember this if they fight. I've tried, and maybe I'm wrong, but I just can't find a way for Pac to win this fight.
Well I disagree with the premise. I think Pac hits harder than Mosley and is faster at this point. But i do think Floyd with potshot Pacquiao and dominate the fight after the first couple rounds
Gimme Pacquiao by close decision. Shane is close to shot & after that second round, Floyd's blood is in the water.
If you are going to pick Pacquiao based on the 2nd round of the PBF/Mosley fight, it better be by KO. How can you say Manny will outwork him when no one else has?
I agree completly even in the Shane fight.. I hoped Shane could win, I thought there was a slim chance that shane would attach with power and it would bother FLoyd but Floyd totally stiffled his attack. you can not be super busy and attack if every time you come in to throw you get hit twice, then mis your shots same with Pac, pac would mis, and get hit and get frustrated and Floyd would stop him IMO
I'd have agreed with the OP right after watching Floyd/Shane on Saturday night. I immediately thought Floyd would handle Pacman with relative ease. Now, 2 days later and having watched parts of the fight again, I see no reason why young Pacquaio shouldn't be able to give Floyd a far tougher fight than Shane. Shane gave 2 rounds and was spent, not to mention he's past retirement by pro sports standards not to mention badly inactive. I think Pacman will be a different breed of opponent for Floyd but I still have Floyd by decision right now if I was to place a bet.
True but at the same time, I'm absolutely NOT going to use today's version of Shane Mosley as a gauge to predict Pacman's chances. I think we have 2 very different fighters in pacman and shane. This wasn't the 2000 Shane after all. The guy who threw like 1500 punches against a prime Oscar. Even Floyd looked really ordinary against the shot Oscar. But I still got Floyd beating Pacman right now by a decision. Might change my mind if the fight is made though.
Explain my good man. Give me an intellectually honest, incapsulated blow by blow account of how Manny will pull this off. I mentioned a pot-shotting right to the head and body and a check left hook, which essentially just has to be repeated to get the desired result.
Because Manny has the hand and footspeed to match Floyd and a prodigious work rate.:dunno: Manny is inevitably gonna land just like Shane did but he isn't gonna stand and feint and admire him all night afterwards. It isn't in him to do so. Contrary to most people I think the two most likely outcomes are Pac by decision and Floyd by stoppage. Because Manny will force the issue aggressively & Floyd isn't gonna be able to completely neuter that work rate with his speed like he's used to doing. He's well and truly outmatched there. If he doesn't match Manny in a fire fight (good chance of that, IMO), he's just gonna get outhustled. Thats how I see it.
Fuck PBF has just sufferef his first defeat at the hands of Pac-man due to Hanzs prediction. Way to go Hanz way to fucking go! I'll Holla 5000
pac isn't beating mayweather, no way. the best chance pac has would be to catch floyd clean early and put him away because once floyd adjusts the fight will be basically over.
At least you have rhyme and reason behind your pick. :bears: I think PBF will win a decision here. He is way too good defensively for Manny to outpoint him. He may likely throw more punches but the vast majority will not land cleanly. I think PBF will use a peek a boo defense but that he will stay in front of Manny. It won't be an easy task and I expect a lot of drama during the first half of the fight.
Pacquaio fight for Mayweather: EASY MONEY.But Floyd has to be assured they are pricking Manny day and night, in his sleep, in the shower, in the locker room.
After every good Pac performance, people overrate Manny and say he's going to KO Floyd. After every good Floyd performance, people conclude anew that Floyd will easily handle Pac. Floyd is the best boxer in the world right now. I think if he moved to 160 or above, he is at risk to lose due simply to size disadvantage, and the fact that he can be hurt. Doesn't mean he will lose. Just that he is vulnerable up there. At 147 or below, I cannot think of another fighter likely to beat him, except Pac. Although that's why the best fighters actually make the fights - to prove there isn't another guy who can beat them, rather than just assume it is true. Of course now Cotto has been beaten, Williams has moved up, Marg is a cheat who himself is getting old, etc., so there are all these reasons not to make those fights. But styles make fights, and Floyd robbed us of seeing those fights get made. Too bad. But that's how it is, and that makes Floyd the best at 147 on down. Pac will probably lose to Floyd, but this is a very close call, maybe almost 50/50. First, Pac is faster offensively than this version of Mosley who caught Floyd flush several times not 5 minutes into the fight. Second, Pac has far more stamina than this version of Mosley, and even in fights where he was taking punches, Manny never stopped coming at an alarming workrate. Shane, by contrast, was pretty much done by round 5. Almost falling down tired by round 10. Mosley is probably the most offensively simple elite fighter I have ever seen. Not much of a jab, a cliche and predictable looping right hand, that's about it. He used to be far better at ripping to the body, but now he literally has one rush-in-and-loop-it right hand, and that's it. Pac, on the other hand, has improved his versatility and not only has the stinging straight left, but also is able to use the right effectively. More importantly, he comes it at unpredictable angles. In fact, he basically looks for openings while moving and then throws from almost any position. This risks him getting countered, but it also makes him impossible to shut down by making one minor adjustment, as Floyd could do to Shane. If you look back at PBF/Judah, a fast straight left gives Floyd trouble. Doesn't mean he can't adjust to some extent, but I see many reasons Pac hac an excellent chance aganist Floyd, both by decision or KO. I think it's silly to say one or the other has "no chance" of winning. If I had to make a call, I'd pick Floyd by a close decision, with some controversy on scoring. But a KO by either guy is not out of the question at all. That's why right now, this is a stellar matchup.
Floyd was big and strong in there against Mosley Pac was taken to school by Marquez and Morales....so it's hard to imagine Floyd not doing the same
Good post. Pac's combo of sheer speed, especially of foot, unpredictability and straight up relentlessness means there's very little chance of Floyd throwing sand on that fire, IMO. And being unable to reduce his opponents output to a trickle like he's used to, we'll see how he reacts. Could go either way, but I think we'll see a new side of him either way.
For all of the reasons outlined above, I still think that Pacquiao knocks Mayweather Jr out. Floyd will be faced with a man who is noticeably faster of hand and foot and who, unlike Judah, who was probably also quicker in terms of handspeed, is not a mental midget and who has unquencheable reserves of stamina. Mayweather has also shown a slight susceptability to lefties and there is no better lefty in the game right now. He has also been shown to be hurt, and Pacquiao has always hit like a motherfuer. It is a real 50/50 fight IMHO. No other fighter in the world can beat either men at their current weights except one another. I just wish they'd fucking get on with getting it on. MTF
Floyd loses to a guy like Williams 24/7. Southpaw has nothing to do with it. Floyd just loves shorter smaller opponents.
I agree boy. Ever since he turned pro at 130 I've been saying Floyd is scared of 6'3 Middleweights. Floyd want none of them I'm telling you. That bum.
I don't know. I mean, we can say Floyd ain't ever fought a dude as tall as Williams. But at the same time, Williams has never stepped in there with somebody the technical brilliance, speed and intelligence of Floyd Mayweather either. I'd take Floyd to win. I think he's too smart, he'd find a way to negate whatever size and reach advantage Williams has. It's a fight I'd love to see though. No doubt.
1) Manny Pacquiao fights nothing like Shane Mosley. 2) Mayweather has had trouble/been hurt by every speedy southpaw he's faced. Demarcus Corley put Floyd on Queer street, Manny would certainly be favored to be able to do that much. 3) Lets erase the myth right now that Shane Mosley in 2010 was a threat. Shane Mosley has fought a grand total of 4 fights in the last 3+ years. First, a loss to Miguel Cotto. Second, a 12th round KO victory over a completely shot Mayorga, in a fight Mayorga was arguably winning/at worst tied with Shane. Third, Mosley beats Margarito. Margarito was an obvious cheater. You don't go from being a journeyman for 12 years, then suddenly become a world-beating puncher overnight. Regardless of whether or not he was cheating pre-Mosley, its impossible to look at his career and think he went from clubfighter to all-world without some help. Margarito without his plaster is the guy who lost to Daniel Santos, so is it really that surprising that Mosley beat him? 4) So what is it, about Floyd beating a 38 year old Mosley that suddenly equates him to beating Pacquiao. Does Floyd being hurt by Mosley (a non-existent finisher) and surviving really mean He'll figure out Pacquiao? Floyd does what RJJ did, he controls tempo with his speed. Manny Pacquiao is just as fast as Floyd, so what will it be like when a guy who throws 80 punches a round, from a southpaw stance Floyd has had trouble with, without being shot or at a weight he doesn't belong at comes at Floyd. Marquez was absolutely made to order for Floyd, Mosley was an unknown quantity, but he just didn't have the reflexes anymore to compete. How does this fight change anything?
