For those who think Manny's on drugs...

I understand that if the fight does not happen, because he refuses to take the drug tests, that you will take that to mean that he's on drugs.

Would he be on drugs if:

A -PBF gave in and the fight happened without testing & Manny won?.
B -PBF gave in and the fight happened without testing & PBF won?.
C -Manny gave in and the fight happened with testing & Manny won?
D -Manny gave in and the fight happened with testing & PBF won?

Just curious...

 

whether or not the guy is on drugs, mayweather jr can still defeat him

 

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One of my personal favourites.
RIght up there with "I'm sure that (insert boxers name here) REALLY CARES what you think!

 

Somewhere, Tommy Hearns is looking in a mirror, slurring and slobbering, crying as all his shit is repossessed, mumbling about how he really should have been born 20 years later than he was. Can you imagine Hearns in there with the likes of Floyd or Manny Pac? These fucking yokels have everyone fooled. Boxing is so desperate to make out that Floyd-Manny is the biggest thing since that last crock of shit...Oscar-Tito. These guys are imposters.

 

To be fair Hearns is an ATG. If paling next to him & SRL/ Hagler/ Duran equates to being a crock of shit, then the overwhelming majority of fighters/ match-ups in history would qualify...

 

Mayweather, in his path to Welterweight Greatness, has fought and beaten Ricky Hatton, Baldomir, an ANCIENT Shane Mosley...Judah....Juan Manuel Marquez....I mean, not only does Floyd not stack up, there isn't even anyone in his resume that could stack up.

 

I just wish that Floyd would say "I dont care about the testing.. lets fight"

Floyd would beat him anyway I think

although it really did seem like Shane was missing somthing.. maybe EPO?

 

This.

 

I think you get at the heart of the problem here. Regardless of what his critics may claim, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

 

It's not about the outcome of the fight. I'd be tickled pink if Pac agreed to USADA standards, regardless of the outcome. And if he beats Floyd and does that, he'd get some major, major props. How can anyone deny that?

 

Reason why it's improbable Kenneth is because,.. then nostalgically we'd have to figure out why the fuck they all scrambled, and lied, and switched stories and hired Trevor Graham, and done a deal in Texas for no drug screening, etc, etc, etc, etc... you know, what on the fucking earth was all that for?..

 

Thank God some people are focusing on facts. Everyone is shouting, "You don't know if Pac is juicing, that's just your opinion!" but no one wants to look at the facts. They just don't. Why? Because then they'd share the same opinion. They'll never admit it though ::

 

what facts? there's plenty of other reasons Pacquiao may not want to face PBF.

 

Double...the facts are the endless stream of lies and contradictions that have come out of Team Pacquiao's collective mouths ever since they agreed to random drug tests. Like Dracula in the midday Sahara heat is how they react whenever the word "test" is tossed their way.

 

It's also, things like the comparable behaviour of when Pacquiao refused the lucrative Hatton fight,.. Arum and Roach publically pressured him through the media to accept the fight, Arum said 'He was crazy, I dont know why he wont accept?'...... they definitely weren't coming to his precious aid on that occassion,... this time, for tonnes more money to be had for themselves, they go absolutely bazerk on the one remaining clause left on the contract,.. "THEY CAN GO TO HELL!!!"...Arum shreiked, while Roach chucked journalists out of his gym, screamed horse-shit at them that "blood tests are fucking useless!!"... ..wow,...what an amazing contrast,.....this, upon several more tangental things, adds up Kenneth, it adds up.

 

In all things, I look for motive. Who is most motivated for Manny to be juicing. One might suggest Manny himself. But Manny is rich, has a pretty little wife, a bevvy of concubines, and also has serious job prospects lined up for the future. Why would he need to take risks.

So I look around...and I think I see the main impetus behind any possible cheating Manny may be doing.........

.............a rat faced fellow with the shakes.

 

Hypocrisy. Seriously, if they found Floyd Sr's accusations that revolting, they would've sued when he made those comments, instead of ignoring them and sitting at the negotiating table. Which is it, money or morals? Then as soon as they realized they couldn't manipulate the protocol the way they desired, all of a sudden they kick the ball over the fence and wanna sue for slander. I can't wait till that sh*t gets kicked out of court.

 

Yeah I see that lawsuit as a pathetic 'reputation saving' stunt whilst in the unwanted lime-light,.. they cannot seriously be that stupid to think that the court will rule in thier favour, then again, Pacquiao, who wants to be a politition, did recently state things like, it takes 24 days to recover from a blood test, and that drawing blood would be a disadvantage for him because he's smaller and Floyd's bigger,.. I mean,.. who would elect such a retard for office?..

 

He's been riding the "he's bigger, I'm smaller, therefore the blood test hurts me more" excuse a lot lately. :: I can't even type that without laughing.

24 days? Yeah, he looked like total sh*t against Clottey after having his blood drawn 19 days out.

 

I agree I dont think it will make a difference at this point.

 

Yes, someone should... sort of, educate Pacquiao a little bit on the subject,... like just say if you can't force the reality into his brain,.. why not tell the special lad,..that when you are smaller, you are able to eat alot more and regenerate quicker the ...err..teaspoon of lost blood back into the 6 litres contained in your system,..

I'd be confident most people on the forum have had blood samples taken before,.. I remember watching my own blood fill a couple of bags up,.. I certainly didn't need a month to recover,.. infact, I felt zero difference,.. so I think Pedquiao's own groupies should know from personal experience,.. what a crock of shit it is.

 

Especially since he went sparring twelve rounds the day after he gave blood.

 

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Very good Irish, very good!

MTF

 

I don't think Manny is on anything, but he should just take the tests. If he wins it would make it a great win. Just take the tests and make the fight.

 

Totally agree!

 

Seriously though. Floyd should think about this for a while . If Floyd would just say, fuck it! I'll fight Pac regardless, PEDS or not! All he has to do is grandstand a little bit and remind the the world that there is a great possibility that his opponent is physically enhanced. It may be a bit of a risk. However, if he does win, which I really think he can, It would be HUGE for his legacy and would cement his place among the best. If he did this then there would be NO argument because Floyd proved himself when the cards were stacked against him. So Floyd, there is a great opportunity to prove to the world that you are extra special. Make your mark.

 

I think sometimes we, as fans, forget that these fighters are human beings, with children. That they put their lives on the line. And if they think/know that another fighter is juicing...I wouldn't want to risk it either. I agree - it would be extra special. And if Floyd is forced to compromise to 14 days again, he may be forced to fight a juiced up (though not quite as much) Pac anyway. Go figure.

 

I agree, but sometimes in order to be special, you need to take risks. Personally, I think that it is a risk Floyd could take. With his style, I think he could beat Pac with PEDs or not. If this were the case, there would be nothing you could take away from him, except that maybe he's a dick.

 

I don't think fighting a cheater is a risk anyone should take to prove anything. Just ask Miguel Cotto. Anyway, it's pointless. The tests are on the table. We'll see what new excuse comes next week.

 

You shouldn't blame a guy for wanting an equal, fair playing field. He is risking his life, literally, every time he steps into the ring. All he is doing is conceding that Pacquiao is good, real good.