Paul Williams' Trainer: We'll Fight Pacquiao Without Tests

Paul Williams is gully.He's a throwback for real

 

Either that, or he's after a payday.

 

Which is why, if it wasn't for Floyd's financial position, Pacquiao, and his regiume, could have got away with this until he retired.

 

Pacquiao would rather take the test and get his license taken away for doping than face Williams.

 

Williams would be fighting a midget. Pacquiao is not hard to hit. Since when is Pacquiao's last name Mayweather?

 

of course he would fight pacquaio w/o the test. it's all about getting paid. aside from mayweather, no one else can make such demands.

 

Agreed. I think Williams has the skills, talent, and frame to beat both Pacquiao and Floyd. The only problem is he fights like a fucking nimrod and totally throws his advantages out the window. So in that vein Williams will likely lose to both.

 

I'd like to see it but I think it's past time for MP to put the issue to rest. If he beat PW it would be very impressive but would only serve to create even stronger doubts in regards to PEDs.

 

I like Paul Williams, but I don't see any chance of him beating Manny. Manny's too fast, and too relentless.

 

Paul Williams strikes fear into the heart of no one.

 

I see this as a dangerous fight for Manny (but I also said that about Cotto & Clottey).
I wouldn't mind seeing Williams-PBF.

 

Well Paul can try it if he likes,.. pretend like ped's dont make much of a difference,..then we'll watch his face turn to shock the way Cotto's did,.. WTF!???.. as he uncharacteristically starts running around the perimeter, confused why this small man hits like a Lightheavyweight.

 

How did you rate Pac's power on that other thread KaukipRrr?

http://fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35598

 

Cause Cintron has the REACH Manny is lacking, he's NOT a midget

 

Is there footage of the Williams-Cintron controversy? I'm yet to see it, & couldn't find a YouTube link.

 

What did it say I rated him? :crafty:

 

I just looked. You didn't contribute to that particular thread.
I guess we can't be expected to respond to every thread.

 

Well since it has come to my attention,.. I'll estimate it here,.. I would have rated Cotto as a powerful squat welterweight, I would have given him 5,.. so Pacquiao,.. he'd be an 8, due to a variety of factors ofcourse :crafty:.

But,.. if we were to take Pacquiao's power out of the Marquez rematch and convert it into the welterweight division, it would have only been 3.

 

Off the scale?-Wow.

So you would Rate Manny as having the hardest WW punch today & by the sounds of it, maybe OAT?
Harder than Hearns, for instance?

Seem as though according to you everyone who responded to that thread got it quite wrong.

When you combine the speed that the punches come, the angles that they come from, & the fact that they take the opponent unaware, with the fact that on top of that his punching power is off the scale, DLH must have an even better chin than I thought, & I'm surprised that Cotto is still alive.

 

Hearns was monsterous, and he actually fought at lightheavyweight,..and I've stated before that Pacquiao hits like a lightheavyweight. I don't have any equipment to measure Pacquiao's power personally, I, like everybody else, am estimating it off fights I've seen of his, and what I saw against Hatton and Cotto,.. it really seemed like after a mere couple of flurries it swiped them both like as if they were as soft as butter,.. I've never seen that before,.. in particular with Cotto, he's taken explosive, hard shots from larger fighters, but without anywhere near the same shocking impact, a mere flurry from Pacquiao, had Cotto pissing himself and sprinting with immense fear, in the Hatton fight, one flurry had him permanently fucked, then he was knocked out cold.

As for the part in bold in your post,.. I don't have that sort of confrontational, condescending mindset,.. that isn't my thinking when I contribute my opinion, you won't find many posters who collectively share the same opinion on every single topic that's created,.................so, I'm not going be seething in the dark all because I think Pacquiao's supercharged power is off the scale, and nobody else has said the same thing.

 

We certainly don't have to all think the same, & I'm happy for you that you're not doing any darkness seething, but why do you think that nobody else seems to consider Pacs power to be off the scale?

He has had three noteworthy stoppages after all:
Hatton by a perfectly timed & place shot, right on the button, with full force that Hatton didn't see. An accumulation stoppage against DLH after hitting him with everything but the kitchen sink, & not putting him down, & a stoppage against Cotto, who was stopped on his feet by the ref.

Personally I think that maybe they take into account the speed that the punches come from, the angles that they come from, & the fact that they take the opponent unaware (It's the ones that you don't see that hurt you).

Also, I remember DLH saying that Pac did not have incredible power but it was more the speed that the punches come from, the angles that they come from, & the fact that they take you unaware (or words to that effect).

I guess that we don't have to take that as gospel, but for me personally, when I see Manny, that appraisal makes sense.

He doesn't seem abnormally heavy-handed for a W.W. He also does not seem abnormally strong for a W.W. In fact he appeared to not be as strong as Cotto, DLH or Clottey to me. I also think that PBF looks a lot bigger & stronger @ that weight.
Surely if he had freakish of the scale power, he would have had more of an effect on Clottey after loading up over and over again.
Maybe it was because Clottey fought so conservatively that he didn't leave himself open to the speed that the punches come from, the angles that they come from, & the fact that they take you unaware. It's difficult to make somebody who has their guard up so high fall prey to such things.

If only he had the power to just overwhelm him...

It's a matter of what the best available explanation for those stoppages are.

Freakish power, for me isn't the best available empirical explanation.

 

It could be because he went from not being able to stop JMM to being able to stop DLH, Hatton, and Cotto. JMM appeared to be his equal as a fighter, if you took that same semi primed JMM and matched him up against today's Manny, would you give him a chance against Pacquiao?

 

Wow. Paul Williams just wiped his anal ring with Floyd Mayweather. :crafty:

 

I'm not sure how this post relates to whether or not Manny has off the scale (hits like a lightheavyweight) power as a W.W.

What KaukipRrr & I are discussing (as far as I'm concerned), is Manny's power at W.W

How do you rate it?

 

If we attribute his deterring success of his opponents behaviour to overall speed, Hatton should not have kept charging at Floyd after copping plenty of blinding accurate shots, and Cotto should have been very reluctant to pressure Judah after taking a few himself. However in thier fights with Pacquiao, it took a mere flurry to change the fight against Hatton,.. and a mere couple of flurries to have Cotto sprinting around the perimeter scared shitless. On this basis, in my opinion, it's due undoubtably to this 'newfound' power of his.

 

I can't help but think that you're being ingenuine here KaukipRrr.

You're not basing your opinion on your observations, You have a theory, & you twist your observations to suit it.

Let's acknowledge the elephant in the room. You want to believe that Manny has unnatural power for a W.W because he's on drugs.

Hatton also kept charging @ Manny (as he did with Zoo). He got caught with a perfect shot.

Cotto broke Judah down. Judah did not offer any where near the offense that Manny did. Not the volume of punches or the speed/ angles.
Manny caught Cotto early & OFTEN he caught Cotto flush over & over again. If he had off the scale power Cotto would not have seen rnd 3. Could you imagine if Hearns hit Cotto as often?

Anyway he hit Cotto often & flush, hurt him early & Cotto was never able to recover because Pacman was so relentless.
No, I suspect your "basis" has more to do with the reason you chose to use inverted commas, then anything empirically based.

Anyway, we will just have to agree to dissagree.

I look forward to reading your next post on how much I am obviously in denial about how Manny has off the scale drug-induced power.