Ok...Who's the P4P # 1 right now?

In their last four fights:

Pacquiao beat De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto and Clottey

Floyd beat De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez and Mosley.

Some who argue Pacquiao would say he beat De La Hoya and Hatton more easily. This can be countered by saying that Floyd beat better versions of both fighters as Floyd got to them earlier..and was the first to remove the "0" from hatton's resume, and De La Hoya was at a more confortable weight for himself at 154lbs.

Some would say that Cotto beat Mosley as so is the better win. Others could counter that the Cotto Mosley fight was very close and that Cotto was damaged goods by the time he fought Pacquiao, having previously been wrecked by margarito. Mosley had since destroyed the same Margarito with consumate ease...and was considered by the consensus as THE Welterweight champion.

Some would say that Clottey is bigger and tougher than Marquez. Others could counter that the same Marquez gave Pacquiao all he could handle in two fights and Floyd treated him as an amateur sparring partner. It can also be said that Maquez is a legitimate GREAT fighter, but Clottey is just a tough journeyman.

Some would say that Floyd gave up the P4P status when he went on a sabbatical..but others could counter:

"Well he's BACK now and looking as good as ever":kidcool:

So Who's the P4P # 1 RIGHT NOW?

 

Great, another let's jerk off Mayweather thread. We get it, Sly.:doh:

 

The same Marquez who usually fought at 126-130 with a few bouts at 135. Suddenly Sly acts like he was a legit 147lb threat to Floyd.

Maybe Floyd can next take on another former lb for lb great in Eric Morales. I give Mayweather points for beating Mosley, but it sure looked like Mosley just gave up for some reason.

 

mosley didn't give up, even if it looked that way. it was a combination of floyd superior ring generalship and shanes decline as an elite prize fighter...

the answer to the topic is floyd mayweather.

 

Frig, I wish Shane had fought Floyd back when they were both around 135. That would have been a much better indicator than this bout was.

 

Well I have my "Foremost Mayweather groupie on Fightbeat" reputation to maintain.

:hammert:

 

Would have been a very interesting affair. Pick-em.

 

Pacquiao has got more done lately so Manny by a hair. Rightfully, the title should be considered vacant until the two fight.

 

PBF is simply on another level.

 

word.

At the end of the day..P4P is about who is the best. Everyone knows that Floyd is the best fighter in the game right now. Pacquiao is the most exciting, but he's not the best.

 

Pacquiao. And it isn't even close IMHO. Mayweather has regained some lost ground by beating Mosley as well as he did, but it isn't enough. It's his first top level welterweight win in four years, FFS.

MTF

 

Based on what? Wins over a featherweight and a 38 year old who hadn't fought in 16 months?:laughing: People are easily wooed.

Neither man will have proven himself on another level until the two fight and we see once and for all. Until then the top p4p man should be the guys who's proven the most against the most solid opposition of late : still Pac.

 

Compare their resumes over the past ten years.

Pacquaio.

Based on who he beat and more importantly, how.

 

There is simply no matching what Pacquiao has accomplished in the past three or four years --- not from Mayweather, or anyone else. It amazes me how, already, people have adjusted with lackadaisical non-chalance to Pacquiao's extraordinary achievements, & come to take them for granted. As little as early-2008, simply climbing into the ring & being competitive with the likes of De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto & Clottey would, to almost all observers, have been seen as wishful thinking for the Pacquiao Camp. After he not only does these things, & not only goes one step further & wins, but beats all four men with astonishing ease, peoples' response quickly turns to, "Meh."

Astounding. Mayweather simply cannot touch what Pacquiao's done in recent times. Only argument for Mayweather --- & it's plenty credible, admittedly --- is that, in spite of being the bigger man, he's pound-for-pound the better fighter in a hypothetical sense. That may well be true, but as my money's cautiously on Pacquiao should they ever actually meet, & his accolades in recent seasons simply bury Mayweather's (which are by no means poor, for all the flack he cops), I have to vote Pacquiao. Convincingly.

 

As I outlined above, I give the nod to Pacquiao, but your notion of leaving the crown vacant, pending an arranged bout, is sound logic. I don't disagree with any of these sentiments, actually.

 

Look @ it THIS Way...Who would U PICK to Win btwn Floyd & Pac???...

If U'd Pick Floyd, then U're ALREADY Saying Floyd is the BEST Fighter in the World Lb for Lb, Subliminally...After Seeing Clottey Land Left Jabs & Lead Right Hands AT WILL on Pacquiao, REED Sees NO Way he'll Beat Floyd...

Pac WILL have his Moments & his Style will Keep him IN the Fight for the Most Part, but his OWN Ferocity will B his Undoing Against Floyd...He'll Keep Walking Into Jabs, Lead Hooks & Pull Counters...And Floyd will B BIGGER & Probably FASTER than Anybody Pac's EVER Fought...

Floyd-Pac will B Competitive Early but 1-Sided Late, w/Pac Possibly Being STOPPED...

Again, if U're Picking Floyd to BEAT Pacquiao, then U're ALREADY Calling him the BEST Fighter in the World, Lb for Lb...REED's Picking Floyd, but he DOESN'T Have to See the Inevitable to Reach that Conclusion...




REED:mj:

 

based on your response i can see that you do not understand the concept of P4P. you said yourself that one of the reasons PBF would win is that he's bigger. ::

the question is not who would win. who would win between Wlad and PBF? does that make Wlad better than PBF, p4p?

if you think PBF is better than Pacquiao, p4p, try explaining it again.

 

U DO Realize a Guy Can Fight in the SAME Weight Range, yet B BIGGER than his Foe, Right???...

REED's Guessing U Saw Floyd's Fights w/Castillo...Even Though they BOTH Made the 135lb Limit, Castillo was CLEARLY BIGGER...Such was the Case when Floyd Moved Up to '54 & Beat YOUR Cross Dressing Hero, as Well...

Same Principle w/Floyd vs. Pac...



REED:hammert:

 

FACT: Pacquiao can lose to PBF, and still, in a p4p sense, be better than PBF.

 

It's a "Fact" in YOUR MIND, but Nowhere Else...


REED:mj:

 

You don't win titles on assumptions and predictions. When Floyd actually PROVES himself as good as Pac against opposition on the same level he'll overtake him. Even better, if and when Floyd beats Pac, he'll become No1. Until he does either of these things it's all conjecture. Pac has done more lately, so he's number 1.

 

Maybe if lost a very close decision then dropped to lightweight or something. But as long as he's a welterweight he'll be judged as a welterweight.

 

What Did Floyd do to LOSE his Mythical "Title"???...Who BEAT him to PROVE that he was NO Looooooooonger the Best Fighter in the World, Lb for Lb???:dunno:...

Pac was GIVEN the Pound for Pound Title Based on "Assumptions, Predictions & Conjecture"...Besides All that, Didn't U ALREADY Say the Title was VACANT???...



REED::

 

nah. it's a fact. there exists fighters, one of whom is Pacquiao, who upon losing to PBF, can still, by definition, be considered better than PBF, p4p.

repeat it over to yourself.

 

Notwithstanding that I think Pacquiao would beat Floyd, there is a flaw in this logic.

Taking an extreme example, I doubt anyone would seriously think that Floyd would beat Wladimir Klitschko, but that doesn't mean for a moment that anyone would seriously consider Wlad a 'better p4p fighter' than Floyd.

Picking fighter X over fighter Y doesn't automatically mean that fighter X is better, pound for pound IMHO. You have to consider their career as a whole and how they have transcended weight classes.

Pacquiao has gone from a flyweight to demolishing the best 140lber in the world and, at worst, one of the best three 147lb-ers in the world. Feats that would not have been believed even remotely possibly a couple of years ago.

He may well fall short against Floyd, but Floyd will have a natural size advantage in that fight. Floyd is, in the physical sense at least, now a natural welterweight. Manny isn't, despite his success there. For example, he could easily get back down to 140 if a fight of sufficient magnitude required it I'd wager. In fact, I agree with the sentiment that 140 might just be his best weight. :dunno:

Just because Floyd beats Pacquiao, if he does, doesn't automatically mean he is better P4P. It would, however, mean that he is a better welterweight.

MTF

 

Ignore DOUB...He's ALREADY Laying the Groundwork to DIMINISH Floyd's Accomplishment, Should he Beat Manny Pac...He's the WORST Kind of Boxing Fan, the Kind that NEVER Gives Credit when it's Due...



REED:boohoo:

 

but it's possible. the point i'm making is that the question of who would win should they fight is not enough to decide who's better p4p.

 

Pacquiao's Been Competing @ Welter for Nearly 2 Years Now...He's a WELTER...His Fight w/Floyd will B @ WELTER...If/When Floyd BEATS Pac @ WELTER, he'll have PROVEN he was BETTER...

Take HATE Out of the Equation & it's NOT that Difficult to Grasp...


REED:mj:

 

He retired.

Once you retire, you forfeit your titles and have to win them back. Rankings and titles don't sit in abeyance until the retiree decides he wants to come back again- especially when you have a guy who is ripping boxing's conventional wisdom apart and demolishing other, P4P ranked fighters in sensational fashion.

Floyd hasn't won those titles back yet. He can and he well might, but he hasn't yet.

MTF