Fighters who didn't have the competition in their era

I hear this a fair amount about fighters who were too good for the fighters around them in their era. What are some examples of fighters who were too good for their own good? I think Ramonza mentioned Ricardo Lopez, however I would disagree with that statement as I thought Rosendo Alvarez was his "Frazier", although he didn't get the win over finito. Who would you say had this problem?

 

Bob Foster & Roy Jones at 175
Wladimir Klitschko right now

 

When REED Thinks of "Competition", he Thinks of Ali & the Crop of Guys he Faced in the 70's...Ray Robinson & the Guys he Fought @ Middleweight...The Late 70's-Early 80's Era of Light heavyweights...The Dela Era Welterweights...Leonard, Hearns, Duran & Hagler ALL Facing EACH OTHER...THAT's a "Competitive Era"....

ONE Guy, as Rosendo Alvarez was for Ricardo Lopez, DOES NOT Constitute a "Competitive Era" in REED's Opinion...

As ERRATIC Pointed Out, Roy Jones & Bob Foster's Era of Lightheavy's DEFINITELY Applies...Ditto for Rocky Marciano's Era of Heavy's...

The Klit Bros. R their Own WORST Enemies...They REALLY Need to Fight EACH OTHER, so that there's No Doubt who's BETTER...Because Aside from Each Other, there's NOfuckingCHALLENGE In the Division Whatsoever...



REED:mj:

 

I see your point Reed, but in Jones case at 175, there was really NO ONE about at the time to challenge him, save perhaps Dariusz but I thought that fight would have been one-sided in Roys favour. At least Lopez had that one guy, even if it was just one.

 

Dariusz = better Froch; Roy = better Dirrell. With those types of matchups, history says you need to see it to know how it will turn out.

Dariusz was every bit of Rosendo Alvarez so Roy had 'that one guy', too.

 

Who would you say fits the criteria mikE?

 

It doesn't matter what era RJJ was in, his competition would have been crap in comparison to him.

 

Based on WHAT???...Froch has Beaten Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell & had a Good, Close Fight w/Kessler...That's BETTER than MichalSHITski's Resume ALREADY & Froch Still has a Few Super 6 Fights Remaining...

Did Rosendo Alvarez or Froch Ever have to FAKE their Way Out of a Sure LOSS, as MichalSHITski Did in the 1st Fight w/Rocchigianni???...



REED:mj:

 

I misssed this "gem". :laughing::laughing::laughing:

 

He'd have his hands full if he were born 20 years earlier, and in the LHW era of the late 70s/early 80s. Anyone would.

 

He would have his hands full of belts, just like he did in the 90s-2004.

 

Bob Foster's comp at 175 was far worse then Roy's. If Foster had come around just a lil bit later he woulda been in the Golden light heavy era of Conteh, Saad, Lopez, Galindez, Spinks, Qawi, Eddie Mustafa, ect.

 

And then he'd lose the belts to Michael Spinks. :hammert:

 

This really is a bad post mikE.

 

Regarding Roy, I think he was indeed far ahead of the competition at 175, saying that I do think Calzaghe could have given him a test (I don't think Joe would have beaten him but he would have given him a tougher fight than people think), but Calzaghe didn't chase the fight or leave the UK so Roy is hardly to blame for that fight not happening. However, RJJ was the first name that came to mind when making this topic.

 

I don't see it personally

 

I agree with Roy, Finito, Klits. I just think that Rosendo was not more of the exception for Finito than Dariusz was for Roy. Plus Finito had a bunch of 108 lbers he could have fought. Roy had a bunch of 168 lbers. The Klitschkos don't have anyone left, more or less.

 

Wladimir Klitschkos era starts in 1997. Same for Vitali.

1997-present has featured some outstanding heavyweights.

 

Nah, I think Roy would have sparked Spinks. I do think Michael Moorer would have been the scariest matchup at 175 for RJJ. I would be scared watching that one.

 

Lopez is the best choice of the last ten or fifteen years, for mine. Alvarez was an exception, rather than a rule. It was unfortunate the matches with Carbajal & Gonzalez didn't eventuate, but Lopez was always going to be ahead of the curve, for the most part, where his competition was concerned. He was a once-in-a-generation fighter for mine, better than Jones, Whitaker, Mayweather or Pacquiao, which says a whole lot.

 

Any stretch of time that long will, but I don't see it as even an average era for talent, in the history of the division. It's as weak currently, in my view, as it has ever been.

 

OMG. This is a terrible post. Are you filling in for Jaws1216?

 

Of course you do.

 

Talk about being purposefully misleading. How many of those "outstanding heavyweights" are currently active and fighting at a high level?

 

You forgot to begin your post with "Dear Roy" and end it with "Love, Joe King"

 

Elaborate on why you guys don't like my post about Dariusz = Rosendo.

Is it that you guys don't like me saying Dariusz is better than Froch and Roy is better than Dirrell? I assume it's Dariusz/Froch? Dariusz beat Virgil Hill which betters any win of Froch so far. Froch almost lost to Taylor. Froch got a fortunate decision against Dirrell. Froch is losing to Abraham. I like Froch a lot and saying he isn't as good as Dariusz isn't an insult.

 

That was a great era of 175lbers. It was the most exciting division in boxing at the time. And all of their fights were televised as a result. Don't forget Mike Rossman. He was in that mix for a minute also. And Marvin Johnson now that I think of it.

 

Please. Wlad fits the bill enough without this spin.

The "Wlad Klitschko Era", if there can be said to be one, would not have started anywhere near 1997 when he was fighting absolute scrubs by the dozen in Scweineharen, Germany. Do you think that if Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali, and Joe Louis were active in their prime in 1997 that Wlad would have fought a single one of them?

I would argue that Wlad was not fighting top-of-the-division heavies until 2003, and maybe later as he lost to a 2nd rater in Corrie Sanders that year, and Lamon Brewster the next.

Wlad may in retrospect be seen as having something of a dynasty or "era", but it should go 2004-2010, and the active crop of heavies in that period was/is unimpressive.