Fighters who didn't have the competition in their era

If the Klitschkos quit tomorrow, Haye and Solis appear to be the frontrunners for who will take over the division. But they are not so much ahead of everyone else the Klitschkos have beaten in the last few years and may not be ahead at all of guys like Chagaev, Thompson, Chambers, and Gomez.

Solis hasn't ducked the Klitschkos, but Haye seemingly is. Hard to credit Haye for that strategy, but hard to give him credit if it works, too.

 

Wladimir Klitschko beats Joe Louis 6 days of the week and twice on Sundays. That slow shuffling average-chinned fighter-of-bums would have his head taken off by Wlad. If Billy Conn extends you and then nearly chins you, what is Wlad going to do?

 

For what it is worth, I think Tony Thompson would have embarassed George Foreman, especially the version that should have lost to Moorer and definitely the version who DID lose to 208lb Jimmy Young. Guys like Chagaev have wins over Felix Savon. In fact, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Wlad Klitschko, Haye, Solis, Povetkin etc may well be one of the the greatest concentrations of amateur medallists in the divisions history. If they are shit, then so is Savon, and all that Savon is/was about.

There is only so may ways a snake can turn before it is up its own ass. This is true of the American media that wants to talk BS about how "weak" the division is and how all the young dudes are playing football or basketball.

As soon as the Klits retire, every half assed piece of shit from the USA that comes after will be getting themselves a berth in the HOF. :shit:

 

Use his Billy Conn-esque footwork, sense of timing, poise under fire, positioning, electric handspeed, smooth combination-punching, & preternatural elusiveness, before knocking Louis out, I suppose.

 

Don´t know about Roy not having any competition. Even as a proven cheater on PEDs he only managed a sub .500 record against the best 175 pounders he fought.

 

Far worse???
come on, at worst it was about even

 

The best exanple to me is Jimmy Wilde... and it is the biggest reason why in my opinion he should not be regarded as a legend

Think about it, how many even reasonable white Flyweights have existed since say 1910?

Jimmy Wilde became "The Ghost With A Hammer In His Hand" by knocking out dozens of them... the talent pool was a puddle because how many white guys are 112 pounds? even 100 years ago!

As soon as Asians and Latinos appeared, they completely took over the division as there was a BIG POOL of tiny little guys with skills

Jimmy Wilde likely would have been nothing other than a big punching contender if he was born even 20 years later

 

Well, that last line is an opinion which can't really detract from what Wilde actually did, but it is open to debate. Personally, I don't share it. Someone like Wilde would be great at any time, IMO.

 

You all desperate frustrated Euro's have a government sponsored program to scour the entire population like that of ancient Sparta for the very best soldiers,.. where as, we have multiple sports in America, the ones that turn to boxing are usually beat up in the locker rooms and go cryin' down to the boxing gym.. yet they still give your VERY VERY VERY best all they can handle... keep dreamin while ya beatin' on our rejects sunshine.

 

Nope. Just use his brilliant, world-class jab to measure the shorter man, and drop enough of heavy rights in there to get the job done. Any semblance of threat from Louis would be dealt with by Wlads fantastic movement. Those big arcing sweeps would have him half the ring away before Louis knew it. Then it would be a question of wash, rinse, repeat.

If Buddy Baer, Galento, Braddock etc can find your chin, and if Schmelling can outright finish you, then you best believe Wlad Klitschko can do the same.

 

cdoggs comment also fails to take into account that Wilde beat up many men who were up to 20lbs heavier.

 

Wilde spent a lot of his time fighting guys weighing well over 112 when he weighed well under.

It's interesting that you assume the white guys that Wilde fought had no talent. White guys can fight, you know.

 

Yes. But every good 112lb fighter was shooting hoops or playing blitz offence back in the day.

 

I guess that would also apply to Corrie Sanders, Ross Purritty, & Lamon Brewster, & how miserably they stack up to a Joe Louis?

Louis recovers very quickly in fights when floored. He's always up & ready to go before the ref has wiped his gloves --- that implies balance was an issue, as much as chin, in at least some of his knockdowns.

Certainly, he was quicker on the recover than Klitschko has ever seen to be.

 

When did Joe Louis EVER fight anyone like Corrie Sanders?

You see, this is what gets me. People staring wistfully at old black-and-white fotos and yearning for the "glory days".

How many 6'4" fast-handed Southpaws did Joe Louis fight? NONE. Yet people sit around assuming that he would just beat the shit out of one if he came across one.

Guys like Max Baer were not much more than big strong punchers with basic training.

Do you really think that Tony Galento would beat Ross Purritty in a fist-fight?

Come on.

The game has changed.

 

Maybe we should focus less on the, "Good ole days vs. Modern super-training" argument --- I think you'd probably agree with me that that's a done-to-death scenario. Rather, I prefer a focus on the fighters as individuals. After all, for every person out there who does take the the old days with rose-tinted glasses, there is his counter-part who is completely willing to overlook all the short-comings being a modern fighter has in favour of sports science.

As for Corrie Sanders, I don't think he's a poor fighter, but boy, if you think someone like Maxxy Baer was just a, "basic-trained" fighter with a big punch but Sanders was something comparatively special, I think we have a core disagreement which cannot be settled.

 

Who was faster? Sanders or Baer?

 

Sanders, for mine. Though he really let himself down with his weight --- something he simply was not talented enough to get away with doing.

 

Most fighters aren't.

 

That's true. Baer was a much better fighter than Sanders across the board, though.

 

AgREED 100%. If anything, this is what is legend is based upon rather than his incredible tally of wins.

MTF

 

not at 112 they cant

theres about 5 of them in the world right now

go ahead, Mister Terry Norris in the top 20 of the last 50 years, name TWO GOOD white Flyweights in the last 90 years

 

no, they were living in Asia and Mexico just like they are now, getting acclimated to the sport which they eventually took over

Wilde's resume reads like a "who's that?" of fighters from 112-126 in that era

 

:: Im stealing this one...

 

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