If clinching were illegal

:shit: Reaching...

 

are you denying that you are a tyson dick rider?

 

:shit::shit::shit:

 

Well you are not seriously supporting the ridiculous idea of body fat % rules are you?

 

I have no idea what that phrase means in your head.

 

As we've been over a million fucking times: never been a fat heavyweight in history worth remembering, never will be. Won't be a good fat basketballer or footballer or trampolinist or any other sport which requires balance, co-ordination and stamina either. How many fighters are you gonna watch come alone, display talent enough to be useful additions to the sport then turn into useless, torpid, heartless shite sacks before you acknowledge that you need to actually fucking train properly to be a good fighter? :shit:

 

Akinwande has a weak chin? Perhaps compared to McCall or Mercer, but not many others.

 

And for the millionth time: the sport will look over itself. Heavyweight boxing has always been about finding the toughest guy in the world, never mind how they look.

So, if fat, uncoordinated fighters can not be competitive, they will be taken out by the ones who train properly. I mean there must be somebody in the world who is willing to collect the easy millions by just training properly.

Eve if nobody in the world decides to do the little training needed, nothing is lost either. Nobody wants to see the fat guys fight (if they can't), so they will lose spectators and their income, which will force them to train, right?

So anyway you look at it, if being fat hurts the fighter, he will suffer himself more than anyone and that is why there is no need for rules to prevent it. Just as there is no rule against fat runners, basketball players or gymnastics either: if they can compete, let them.

Starting to make rules against how a fighters' body should look like really is not far from giving other demands of their looks, if you just think about it

 

There's two of them.

Hasn't stopped Arreola from getting on HBO.

Here's the next HBO sports show...'The Biggest Loser - Heavyweight Edition'.

 

Right, so since there is still room on HBO for a guy who trains, the somebody will surely do it and the problem is solved

 

It isn't happening though. The guys who train are dominating yet the competition is getting thinner and thinner as fewer and fewer of the challengers bother to. Boxing isn't looking after itself at all, one way or another something is gonna have to be done or boxings main attraction dies a slow death due to the paper thin competition level and pathetic title fights.

It has nothing to do with how they look, a body composition test is purely about function, every top athlete who's answerable to somebody undergoes one during the course of their training. For instance - F1 drivers are required as part of their contract to come in at under 10% bodyfat. Fuck all to do with looking pretty: any more is deadweight and will negatively effect performance.

 

So by looking over itself, the 'sport' found Vitali-Arreola?

Honestly, I'm not sure what you mean by the 'sport' will look over itself...I mean, was it the 'sport' that put Arreola in high profile HBO fights or Dan Goossen?

Does the 'sport' and it's promoters and networks all share the same interests?

And maybe there's not that much room on HBO...not every Klitschko fight makes it onto HBO these days.

 

To me this is more about sports principals than anything else. It is about what sport is all about first and foremost.

To me the basic idea of sports is to give everybody a free chance to see who is the best. No matter where you come from, how you look etc. you can try and be the best. Whether it is about lifting the heavies weight, running 100 meters faster than anyone, throwing javelin, jumping high, anything. As long as yo are good in it, you deserve to win.

If fat guys are better in heavyweight boxing than others, then they deserve the top rankings. If they are not, the thinner guys will come out and beat them up. It is as simple as that. Any rule that prevents some people from participating is wrong.

Lately the sport has not looked up for itself, if by that we mean getting rid of fat guys, that is true. But the thing is, the sport still has the equipment necessary. The rules have not been changed, the field is still open for anybody, so anyone that wants to make the millions by becoming a top contender can do it whenever they please. That is all we need

 

Nobody is being excluded. The option of not training properly is being excluded. Sometimes self destructive drop out fucks need a little paternalistic guidance for their own and the greater good.:kick:

 

Do you really believe all of this, or are you just putting it out there?

Yeah, there's skinny guys of all kinds of quality...doesn't mean guys like Arreola will be fighting the good ones until it comes time to get paid.

Apparently, Arreola's not even better than Tomasz Adamek...but we were still treated to fights with Chazz Witherspoon, Travis Walker and the like.

Coulda put him in with someone better, like Povetkin, and saved everybody the time...and Kellerman, and rest, the unnecessary gum-flapping.

 

Of course he means it. To take the opposite position is mind-numbingly obtuse.

"Valuev can't fight because he isn't under 10% bodyfat!!!"

Keeping in mind that boxing is an f'ing business, let's hear how this retarded scheme of not allowing heavyweights to fight that don't meet some cosmetic notion of fitness is really supposed to work. A week before, you just cancel the card? You let him fight, but strip the title if he wins?

It's fucktarded to think that such a proposal has any chance to be implemented. Not only is it complete nonsense in fact, it's nonsense in spirit. "You can't be the best boxer in the world because of your bodyfat %!" Unreal.

 

Valuev never came in fat. Try again.

 

He sure as hell doesn't meet your 10% bodyfat requirement:

 

I never said the limit should be 10% that would be ridiculous. That's the limit in F1, I only brought it up illustratively. And valuev btw carried allot of excess skin from previous weight loss round his stomach which made him look allot fatter than he was. The guy was almost always in good fighting shape (which is doubtless how he managed to make the most of so little talent (making himself a competitive addition to the talent pool of the division, etc)).

 

I think it's only natural for a fighter who's hurt to clinch. However, clinching used as a defensive tactic, to save stamina, or control the pace of a fight (in other words, repeated clinching round after round), should first be met with a warning, then a penalty, and finally disqualification. Period. The only reason this hasn't happened is politics.
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Absolutely agreed. As I said, 3 deliberate clinches in a round should be a point off. If a guy's hurt he can make the judgement call on whether going for a 4th clinch is worth the deduction.

 

My bad then.

I still don't see any possible way to implement a bodyfat min requirement. Fighters have to pass a physical to fight. If they can do that, that's enough, imo.

Roy Nelson would be a good example as to why body fat % isn't important. Some of Ugotabe's points are demonstrated by Nelson regularly.

 

TBF, I think boxing is allot different to MMA in that deadweight could potentially be an advantage in grappling, but it very rarely is in boxing. Plus - Roy Nelson never reached an elite standard. Who's to say he wouldn't have if he'd lost that big deadweight gut he was hauling around the ring?

But yeah, you're right that it'd be difficult to implement...I mean I can't see a case for guys losing titles or title shots over it, it would have to be some sort of fine system.

 

I'm not arguing athletic commission regulations that state you can't fight if you're not at or below a certain body percentage.

But if HBO wants to go along with Dan Goossen's plan of shoving Chris Arreola down the throats of its viewers, make Goose put a stipulation in fat boys contract that says he's putting money to some organization against child obesity for every pound/percentage point he comes in over a certain target.

If every entity in the sport is going to flex every ounce of muscle they have at the negotiating table, HBO might as well actually do something that leads to a better product in the ring.

 

Exactly, great point. HBO & Showtime could surely put a stipulation like that in their contract. For every point over 15% bf you come in we take 5-10% off our fee. Something like that.

 

Impossible to say, but Heavyweight fights would end probably up finishing alot earlier than other weight class fights

 

What do you mean?

 

Well, fines are a big incentive for fighters to come in on weight in other weight classes. I don't see it working from the commission side or from a sanctioning body side for heavyweights.

But, I guess it could be implemented easily enough from a promoter. Not sure it would work, though. I mean, I can see getting two guys to sign on the line that they will forfeit x % of their purse if they come in at x % bodyfat or higher, but you are looking for all kinds of headaches in trying to enforce it.

 

bums like Ricky Hatton wouldn't exist

 

Mitchel Kane hit it right I think - the best/only way would be for the TV networks to write it into their contracts across the board. Like you say some sort of fine for every % point over a threshold like there is in lower classes for weight. Would be a measure to help viewers get to see both guys at something close to their best.