Cotto vs. Foreman DISCUSSION THREAD! **PLEASE KEEP ALL FIGHT SPOILERS IN HERE**

Crazy... I can't believe what I've just witnessed.

 

Take notes Cintron. That's how to fight like a warrior.

Arthur Mercante Sr must be proud of his son.

 

Mercanted asked who threw the towel, Foreman's trainer I thought said I did.

Buffer's giving some misinformation tot he crowd...saying it was from outside the corner.

 

Buffer just said the white towel came from outside Foreman corner...but Foreman TRAINER just told Mercante that he threw the towel...

 

Left hook to the BODY...and DOWN GOES FOREMAN...it's OVER>...

 

HBO is an utter joke to defend this crap. :notallthere::notallthere:

 

This mean Pacquiao-Cotto II?

 

Yup...

 

That was a meaty body shot. Nice.

 

Damn im good. :bears:

 

Its over officially now. Foreman-Cintron make it happen.

 

Somewhere Usain Bolt is happy that Foreman got injured.

 

Yep,unlike Dirrell Foreman is a true fighter!

 

:dunno: I thought we were watching two different fights...You said Cotto is hitting nothing but air....:dunno:

 

Yuri Foreman is the baddest (soon to be) Rabbi on the planet! If there is not a Foreman Train/Wagon/Rabbi-Bus or something, there needs to be! And I'm on that bitch!

A complete warrior, and he has NOTHING to be ashamed of.

 

He missed alot of punches in the first 4 rounds. Cotto started landing more after that.

 

They should keep Larry Merchant to do nostalgic video voiceovers and not commentate. Roy, Max and Lampley did a great job tonight.

 

Well, Roy does enough talking that it keeps Kellerman to more of a minimum, which isn't as good as him not being there, but it's a step in the right direction.

 

Agreed but I'd rather have Max do the post fight interviews than Larry. Larry would have killed the good vibe by being negative.

 

Cotto bashed that clown. Viva palestine

 

I thought Cotto looked good. Better than I expected and Foreman was just outgunned. He had no offense to offer that could do any real damage.

 

He fought the Joshua Clottey fight tonight, he could have done a lot more.

 

Terrible night of boxing.

 

Cotto fought a very disciplined fight. He looked better than I thought he would be. He's not crouching as much as before and seems to have much better balance. Good performance out-boxing the boxer. Miguel has a few more fights left in him.

 

WHAT????

 

Maybe... But looking at Foreman its not like he could have brought anything else out of Cotto.

 

Not sure if you noticed, but one of those dudes...well, he was white.

 

Yeah, what shocked me most about this fight (pre-fight anyway) was how many people picked Foreman to win. In another thread I said that as long as Cotto wasn't just plain shot, I wouldn't give Foreman more than a 1 in 100 chance to win this fight. I think a lot of boxing fans still gravitate to that "oh he lost 2 of his last 5 fights" vibe that that networks are always trying to sell us... where being undefeated is then somehow unassailably magical without considering opposition.

Yeah Cotto dropped two fights, but for god's sake he lost to a criminal cheat who dented his skull with concrete, and to someone who is either a drug-spawned monster or a truly incredible, perhaps once-in-a-lifetime fighter in Manny Pacquiao. That's it.

I still contend that Cotto may have ended up a far, far different fighter if not for the Margarito thing. When I think about his transformation, I really get this visceral feeling that that fight hurt him in a permanent way. You could see by the fight tonight that Cotto has superb timing, outstanding accuracy, great footwork & boxing ability, and a great jab to boot. Plus that wrecking ball left hook to the body. If I could go back in time, I would have liked to have seen him fight Floyd before the Margarito fight (but of course Floyd was "retired" at that time, having nothing left to prove). I think Cotto would have lost, but it would have been a very good fight.

As far as Foreman goes, I may never have seen a fighter get better treatment from an official. Mercante Jr. was literally giving him father/son pep-talks in there, encouraging him to "punch back", giving him arbitrary breaks to "walk off" an injury caused only by Foreman himself, and then in a move I have never seen in 30+ years of watching boxing - Mercante overrides the towel thrown in by Foreman's head cornerman and trainer? What the hell was that about? Has Mercante converted to Judaism?

The final thing on Foreman - I feel bad for the freak injury *BUT* when your whole fight plan is based on incessant running and bouncing, non-stop direction changes, and ceaseless lateral jumping - you are going to be more likely to slip, twist an ankle or a knee, etc. I am sorry but it's bound to happen after hundreds of rounds of boxing. Sorry it had to happen in a title fight, but as was obvious after the injury, Foreman is at best a journeyman fighter without the running. You cannot base a long, successful career so firmly on that sort of movement. Many fighters have shown how lots of movement can be integrated into a championship style (Whitaker, Floyd, etc.), but you cannot make it work when you are bouncing laterally for 90% of the fight. Foreman should feel extremely lucky that he got this far, let alone somehow won a title. He fought the right guys at the right times and eeked out a short-lived title. Good for him.

The final thing on Cotto - I was hoping to see him look better. Yes, he would have beat Foreman injury or no injury, but it probably would have been a 9-3 decision or a 12th round TKO at best. I think Steward is good for Miguel, and it looks like he didn't try to re-write Cotto's style, just tweak it. That is good. But I saw nothing that tells me Cotto could get in with Pac or Floyd and win. I would say that he should move back down to 147 and stay away from 154 for sure. No point in a campaign at 154. But even at 147, he is like the guy who is just beneath the truly elite fighters. So I am not sure what the point of continuing is, unless he just likes fighting and is content to rack up some more good wins against guys OTHER than PBF or Pac.

I suppose if Floyd and Manny are going to bicker forever about their fight, then maybe Cotto could get a fight now at 147 with PBF, which I am sure Cotto would take in a heartbeat. And for Miguel that may be a fight worth sticking around for, as he probably believes he could win. But at this point I don't think he can.

 

. Really? I thought maybe it was the lighting in Yankee Stadium. :atu:

 

Go make a Miguel Cotto vs. Mike McCallum thread in the mythical match-ups section.