Zab Judah vs Vinny Paz

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  1. Ugotabe Kidding

    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Judah at his best stops him.
     
  3. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    I concur, actually.
     
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    I'll go with Paz.
     
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    Both guys are frauds, but I'll go with the more talented fraud.

    Judah by decision.
     
  6. LOK

    LOK I'll eat your asshole alive

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    Paz for sure
     
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    Zab is pretty damn underrated these days, esp the 140 version. Pre-Tszyu I think he beats Paz pretty handily.
     
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    Judah is more talented but Paz is less fraudulent.
     
  9. broadwayjoe

    broadwayjoe Undisputed Champion

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    There's no way on God's Green Earth that Judah KOs Paz. It took Roy Jones all the way up at 168 to KO Paz, and even then Paz kept getting up and the ref had to all but sit on him to make him stay down. There's no way Judah pulls that off. And if either fighter's chin fails him...it is more likely Judah's.

    Paz outworks Judah and wins by decision. Judah, as he does in most of his fights, has some moments where his fans "ooohh and aaahh" over his "talent", but Paz does more work overall and wins the fight.
     
  10. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    What if Judah's assault was combined with a caffeine crash? :lol:

    I can't help it --- in all the years I've followed Boxing, & all the justifications & excuses I've ever heard, this is one of the great ones.
     
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    broadwayjoe Undisputed Champion

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    It really is. :lol:

    But that doesn't mean that Paz didn't have a very good chin and tons and tons of heart. Which he did. I think sometimes w/Paz, folks let their dislike for him get in the way of realizing he was a good fighter. Not a great one, or a HOF one, but still a legit contender/title holder.

    As for Judah, he would need his own assault, a caffeine crash, a big rock and some of Margarito's special handwraps to do what Jones did to Paz.
     
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  12. LOK

    LOK I'll eat your asshole alive

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    Don't ya'll remember pre Jones fight how Paz's camp said they had some way to measure speed and that Paz was actually faster than Sugar Ray Robinson? lol
     
  13. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    That came with an asterisk. It was only at the peak of his caffeine high he outsped Robinson.
     
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    Knock out Paz? No. But Zab could def hurt and drop him. Roger Mayweather more or less beat the crap outta Paz, and dropped him with an uppercut. Zab's uppercut at 140 was pretty lethal. He could catch Paz coming in with it, hurt Paz, and make him gunshy.

    I'm tellin you.... Zab is underrated nowadays. People write him off almost as if he was some bum. But at 140 he was very good.

    Put it this way, I'd pick a prime Judah over the current versions of Bradley, Alexander, and Con.
     
  15. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    It's difficult for me to say with Judah. I still remember the support he had for being the next big thing, & I'm torn between his total capitulation in the last five or so years (while still young & able) as either a total condemnation of him as a fraud, or the primary contributing factor in his being, as X contends, forgotten & written off as something less than the force he may or may not've been at 140lbs.

    I do remember him being favoured about 2-1 over Tszyu, which says he had a few believers. Had to be something to him, or was there?
     
  16. cdogg187

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    Roger Mayweather was a better fighter than Judah

    this is a pick-em fight, to me... I could completely see Pazienza being able to outwork Judah... I do think he'd get dropped once along the way
     
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    There's a difference between stopping someone and KOing them, and Paz WAS stopped by a journeyman...
     
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    Uh, oh. I smell boxrec. Are you referring to the Marbi fight? Boxrec does say Marbi TKO5, but it DOESN'T say it was a cut stoppage and, more importantly, it doesn't say that the cut was caused by a headbutt and the "stoppage" was very controversial because the result should not have been a TKO.

    Now you can say "a stoppage is a stoppage", or something like that, but that would just be a case of not knowing what actually happened.
     
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    Mayweather was a much better boxer than Judah and a better fighter. I think just the opposite, I think Judah fans wanted him to be something special so badly that they were willing to overlook his flaws. And then he ran into Tzysu...
     
  20. cdogg187

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    Judah deserves to be shat upon... he was almost completely hype... he got away with being fast for awhile until he met his first real, accomplished opponent in Tszyu and BANG! all done

    after that he was able only to beat Cory Spinks, who had absolutely NO punch to threaten him with and about as much brain power

    Judah never deserved to get as far as he got in the first place, he is a shoe-in to lose to every great fighter you can name ever and about 95% of the very good fighters, along with about 85% of the just good (which would include Pazienza)
     
  21. TLC

    TLC "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    I thought he was stopped by a cut but didn't know it was a headbutt. Alright then.
     

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