Juan Manuel Marquez vs Alexis Arguello at 130

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  1. Beyond the Grave

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    just like Manny Pacquiao vs. Arguello....Marquez get KO'ed....but doesn't get as bad a beating...
     
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    Arguello would brutally stop him late.
     
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    Arguello mauls his ass badly.
     
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    They have somewhat similar styles but Arguello is simply a better fighter and has a big edge in the power dept.
     
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    Arguello in 10.
     
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    Arguello stops him
     
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    Marquez would have some success here. Just that little extra swiftness on his feet, & he might have made it home.

    Marquez is really a great defensive fighter at 126 & 130lbs, but he's not really mobile enough against a fighter like Arguello --- who hit, IMO, with more damaging force than Pacquiao at the same weight, & he was more precise than Pacquiao has been. I think Marquez fights a commendable fight off the backfoot, wins more rounds than he loses, but comes unstuck around the ninth or tenth. Arguello was such precision, he'd find the spot eventually. Marquez would run him a merry chase in the interim, but just isn't quite outright elusive enough to manipulate Arguello for the full fight.
     
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    Close decision either way could see it being a draw even, both can KO each other both have great boxing skills...would be a great fight.
     
  10. cdogg187

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    it took Aaron Pryor 14 rounds of hitting Arguello with some monstrous combinations to finally get him out of there, no way in hell Marquez, who is at best a solid puncher, is getting Alexis out of there... guys who hit a hell of a lot harder than he did were unable to do so

    I like Arguello in this one... to me only two types of fighters can beat Alexis at his best... the extremely quick and defensively tremendous (Mayweather, Whitaker) and the overpowering (Duran, Armstrong, perhaps Chavez)

    Marquez has terrific D but not enough speed and he does not have the power or strength to bull Arguello

    Marquez has his moments for sure, but I think he gets stopped late
     
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    true it took Pryor 14 rounds then 10...but he has been KO;d by lesser fighters, yes that had more to do because of inexperience but it dioes say he can be hurt and Arguello would be hit, and hit often, Arguello would be there to hit unlike Mayweather or any other fighter JMM has had problems with in that way...
    I'm not sayin he KO's Arguello I say he can, they both have the power to do so, and at 130 i definately say he has that power.
     
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    in his early career, Arguello was stopped because of a busted hand in his first pro fight at 16 years old and on cuts as a still green young fighter barely 20 years old

    he doesnt get truly knocked out until his EIGHTY SECOND pro fight after 14 rounds of one of the most brutal bouts in boxing history by a hard punching 140 pounder who hit him with 5-punch combos as early as the first round and kept it up until the very end

    the 10 round stoppage happens in the rematch of that same fight when the guy clearly doesnt have much left to start with

    meanwhile, Arguello at 130 (his best weight) deals with Alfredo Escalera, Bazooka Limon, Rolando Navarette, Bobby Chacon, Cornelius Boza-Edwards and moves up against Jose Luis Ramirez and is knocked off his feet only once, against Ramirez-- a huge guy at 135 who hit leagues harder than Marquez... Alexis won all of those fights and was never in danger of being stopped... all of those guys were terrific fighters, all of them could hit (Ramirez and Chacon significantly harder punchers than JMM) and none of them came within 100 miles of stopping Arguello

    like I said, it takes until he is at the very end of his effectiveness as a pro fighter fighting four divisions above where he first was a champion for him to be stopped... and even then, it takes a hard hitting, relentless, utterly unique Junior Welterweight to do it

    There is no way JMM hits anywhere near as hard as Pryor did and there is equally no way he would hit Alexis as often as Pryor did

    and it took Pryor doing that to stop him
     
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    ^^^I agree, & well put-together.

    Marquez needs just a little bit more movement to win this than he has. He needs a lot more punch, though.
     
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    Good post and I actually agree, all i am saying is JMM had the power to hurt Arguello and was there to be hit, and JMM was much better than some of the fighters listed especially at that weight, at least in the sense of styles.
    Also you say Arguello would KO JMM but on the same thing say Arguello has no chance of gettin KO'd? JMM has never been ko'd and he has faced Pacman 2 times who is one of the most devastationg volume punchers of all time... and took big shots from a much bigger man in Mayweather, JMM is much too craft and much too die hard to get KO'd in my opinion especially at that weight...
    I agree with everything you said though Cdogg, we just differ and some thing.
    I do think after all I have said I would pick Arguello by SD.
     
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    thats cool with me, my friend!

    I think in a 15 rounder, eventually Marquez does get stopped... and he was hurt badly by Pac-Man and I think he would be here too, but I agree, he is a great fighter and it's difficult to envision him being stopped, especially in a 12 round affair

    it would be a fantastic fight and a close fight for sure... Marquez is the goods
     
  16. BoxFan

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    totally agreed, I could see him gettin stopped maybe like Mancini did, definately...I mean late late, but in a 12 rounds...it goes to a decision.
     
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    agree... he's too crafty, too good
     

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