Carwin saw opponent "go out a few times," but Lesnar praises ref for not halting figh

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  1. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    by Dann Stupp on Jul 04, 2010 at 1:30 pm ET

    Should Josh Rosenthal have halted Saturday's UFC 116 main event in the first round?

    Interim title-holder Shane Carwin blasted heavyweight champ and fellow co-headliner Brock Lesnar with 57 punches in the round, and though he came close, Rosenthal never halted the bout to award him the TKO win.

    But you won't hear any complaints from Carwin, who eventually suffered a submission loss in the following round.

    Rosenthal, of course, walked a very tight line during the main-event fight at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. He didn't want Lesnar to absorb unnecessary punishment, but he also didn't want to halt a still-competitive fight.

    UFC president Dana White and Lesnar have praised the ref's performance.

    But what about Carwin, who lost the most by Rosenthal's decision to let the fight continue?

    "I felt Brock go out a few times," he today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) via text message. "But it is the ref's job to call the fight, and mine is to finish the fight."

    Carwin, of course, came oh-so close to doing just that. According to CompuStrike.com, he landed 57 first-round blows, 47 of which were ground shots that came after he dazed Lesnar with an early uppercut. As blood poured from his face and Lesnar struggled to defend and improve his position, Rosenthal nearly halted the fight on more than one occasion.

    Lesnar, though, survived. And by the second round, Carwin was slowed by what he described as a "whole-body cramp" that took his legs out from under him.

    Lesnar (5-1 MMA, 4-1 UFC), who returned from a one-year layoff due to diverticulitis and other health problems, then scored a takedown that set up the fight-ending arm-triangle choke midway through the round. Although literally just a punch or two away from the victory, Carwin (12-1 MMA, 4-1 UFC) instead suffered the first loss of his career.

    Lesnar, though, admits he was playing with fire. But as Carwin's punches became less and less effective, he knew he could survive the round.

    "[Rosenthal] did come to me before the fight and said to me, 'Heaven forbid, if the fight gets ugly and somebody's getting in a bad situation, you have to show me something that you're still staying alive down there,'" Lesnar said. "That just kept going through my mind. 'I've got to keep moving.' I could feel Shane. Every punch was less and less and less and less. I knew that the worst was done.

    [​IMG]"I really have to thank the referee for allowing that thing go on."

    Even White, who's notoriously blunt with critiques of referees, raved about Rosenthal's performance.

    "When the fight was first starting, I looked at (UFC CEO) Lorenzo (Feritta), and you guys know how critical I am about this stuff," White said. "I said, 'How the hell did Josh Rosenthal get this fight?'

    "Listen, I don't know Herb Dean. I've probably said five words to Herb Dean in my entire life. I just think that Herb Dean is the greatest ref in the history of the world. When guys are in there, I wish Herb was in every fight. But I want to say Josh Rosenthal did a fantastic job, and I apologize for badmouthing him before he did nothing wrong."
     
  2. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    Come on Shane!

    I have seen this fight probably 6 times by now. I never saw Brock out once. He was doing all the things the ref asked. He also kicked Shane off three different times and controlled Shane's wrist at points of the GNP
     
  3. Mr Roboto

    Mr Roboto Undisputed Champion

    Ref did a good job. Every time he said show me somehing Brock left th guard and struck. Ironically he would get hit the cleanest then. His hams for hands protected most of hiss face and skull.
     
  4. Trplsec

    Trplsec Sleeps in a Cage


    Agree. And when he covered his face with his hands, his face was well-protected.

    There was never a single moment where Brock wasn't responsive or doing something to defend. Rosenthal did a fine job. He was on top of the action watching it closely.

    By the way, he also was right on top of the guys when Lesnar started choking the life out of Shane. It was ugly how Carwin's eyes start bulging out.
     
  5. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    Yeah his face got red, eyes got watery and the The 80s movies villain right before they crash in the helicopter look "oh shit"
     
  6. Mr Roboto

    Mr Roboto Undisputed Champion

    :lol:
     
  7. TFK

    TFK WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Rosenthall did a great job. That was good reffing.

    TFK
     
  8. jarhead

    jarhead Undisputed Champion

    Great fight, great reffing. I like Carwin, but he is full of shit here and it looks like we all agree about it. Lesnar was never even close to being "out". Trplsec said it all perfect. He was kicking off, grabbing wrists, and had the mindset to have his hands in perfect guard defense.

    And yes, that shit was crazy when he was getting choked out. A couple more seconds and Carwin would have gone to sleep.
     
  9. REEDsART

    REEDsART MATCHMAKER

    The Thing is, Shane Carwin Typically Renders the Referee USELESS...Guys R Usually Sooooo KTFO that even Stevie Wonder Could Ref a Carwin Fight...

    UNLIKE Every Other Shane Carwin Opponent, Lesnar NEVER Completely Lost his Wits & Did Just Enough to Rightfully PREVENT a Stoppage...The Mere Fact that Lesnar Rebounded & Won the Fight PROVES that the Ref Did a GREAT Job....



    REED:kidcool:
     
  10. Trplsec

    Trplsec Sleeps in a Cage

    Love this fight and watched the replay a few more times. There are actually times where Brock starts throwing shots from the bottom. He was overwhelmed but aware.
     
  11. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    Yup. You can see him hitting Carwin right on the nose with them.
     
  12. Beyond the Grave

    Beyond the Grave Undisputed Champion

    I don't think Carwin knew what was going on.He got caught up in the moment and gassed out.He should of used his head and made Brock standup,so he can knock his block off again.
     
  13. Double L

    Double L Book Reader

    Why don't more fighters submit guys when they're hurt on the ground? Instead of jumping on them and banging away?
     
  14. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    Carwin doesnt have submission technic. He can wrestle, but i dont think he has any BJJ.
     
  15. TLC

    TLC "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    He has a higher belt than Lesnar.....not that it means much.
     
  16. Anthony

    Anthony Admin Staff Member

    It doesnt.
     
  17. D MAN

    D MAN "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    I hate it when I see a guy go for a submission when he has a guy hurt on his back, almost never works and often just leads to the guy on the bottom gaining top position.

    The thing that I'd rather see is a few key strikes while the guy is actually hurt, but as soon as he is recovered, as Brock obviously was quickly, just stand it up and try to take his head off again.

    Carwin has no gas tank. Nelson is the antidote to Lesnar, he doesn't gas, at all.
     
  18. jarhead

    jarhead Undisputed Champion


    Nelson doesn't gas and he has great BJJ. Brock is ten times stronger than him though.
     
  19. TLC

    TLC "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Kind of ironic that a guy who looks like he just got done placing in a cheeseburger eating contest has more cardio than someone who looks like a bodybuilder.
     
  20. TLC

    TLC "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Lesnar admitted that he didn't know where he was at one point.
     

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