green v briggs

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  1. Andrew

    Andrew "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    No it wasnt.
     
  2. Andrew

    Andrew "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Greens back flipped now and thinks it legit.

    Briggs getting his full purse of 250k.

    Australian boxing has always been a shambles.

    Green will always be remembered in Australia as being Mundines bitch.
     
  3. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    What's the latest?
     
  4. KaukipRrr

    KaukipRrr "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Green is a slimey bitch, and a Fraud.

    I'm proud to see most Australian posters here are telling it like it is,.. unlike the British who hold on tightly to particular Fraud's to the very bitter end. :judah:
     
  5. Pascals Wager

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    http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,20797,27444190-5009280,00.html?from=public_rss


    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/d...iggs-fight-farce/story-e6frf9if-1225895740070

    I happen to be of the unpopular opinion that the stoppage was legit.
    Briggs had no business being in the ring in the first place. The guy had been retired for over 3yrs & had a cloud over his head regarding his health (NSW wouldn't sanction the fight).
    Mundine gets shit for picking easy targets. As Fenech (who I don't like) said, Green's no better.
     
  6. Andrew

    Andrew "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Exactly Pasc. Green back flipped because he realises he looks like the fool for fighting a guy whos over the hill and hasnt fought for 3 years. Greens been robbing the fans, not juts Briggs.
     
  7. The Genius

    The Genius DEMONRY!!

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    Complete disgrace. Fuck Australian boxing.
     
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    Yeah I agree. Briggs was totally off - looked nervous, dry, fat. Even looking at his training footage, he was pulling very weird faces when throwing slow punches, like a retard. Something was not right there.

    As the countdown began I was increasingly concerned. On his ringwalk, he looked like he was drunk. He was bouncing on his toes in the ring and had the speed and elegance of a hippo. Green threw a soft jab to the body and Briggs reacted about 2 seconds later. Weird.

    Billy Hussein said his eyes were spinning and he had no recollection of being in the ring after the knockout jab.

    And to top it off, around the same time, his brother Nathan got pinged with a shooter while sitting in a dumpster, cuddling a teddy bear. He was done for armed robbery and locked up.

    Paul's old trainer reckons he had a mental meltdown. Sad, the guy has been fighting since 14, Muay Thai world champ, fought for the WBC title twice.
     
  9. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Briggs is forever disgraced. He showed up & robbed every one in that arena.

    Say what you will about Green (& I agree to some extent), his reaction to that was exactly what it should be for any fighter in that position. If he's back-flipped, that's unfortunate.
     
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    Poor Adamek went 24 rounds of hell with Briggs. All he had to do is throw a weak jab to the forehead.
     
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  12. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    If any of our international members are unaware of it, betting was suspended after a flood of placements for Green to score a first-round KO.

    Frankly, I cannot fathom how some here are thinking this could have been legitimate. No tune-up. No weight. Suspended betting. The punch itself.

    In sincerely asking, if this doesn't look fraudulent to you, what does?
     
  13. ElTerriblee

    ElTerriblee "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Well if you read the article and the description of Briggs neurological state is accurate, it´s really no surprise people in the know went all in on Green and other picked up on the trend. Quite frankly it´s even more disgusting than Briggs taking a straight dive, because they basically played Russian roulette with Briggs´ life.
     
  14. *Z*

    *Z* WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    Oh it looks bad, no matter what really happened. Whether Briggs straight up took a dive or if his condition was so bad that he couldn't withstand a half landed jab to the top of the head. Only thing I'm 100% certain of is Danny Green is a bitch for taking this fight.
     
  15. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    Briggs made it as obvious as he possibly could have he dove.

    My suspicion is he wanted people to know he dove --- he didn't want people thinking he was beaten legit by Green. How much more can he do to convince people, other than lie down in the corner when the bell sounds? I truly don't get it --- how much less punishment does one have to take to convince someone the fix is in?

    Like I said, there are other lines of thought to draw on. The fight would make Briggs a considerable amount of money --- financial motive. Briggs didn't bother to make the contracted weight --- proof he didn't take his training suitably serious. Briggs took no tune-up fight, despite three long years out of the ring --- better to keep the public intrigued, than risk everything. Especially if you don't want to fight, you just want a payday. Then, there's a flood steep enough on a first-round KO (which turns out to be the result) it causes a betting suspension.

    IMO, the punch itself is more than enough evidence for a dive. Factor in the above, & for those of you who are even considering this being legitimate, there are some very nice men with a wondrous product called Snake Oil who'd like five minutes of your time...
     
  16. Irish

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    I'm sorry, but on that narrow topic, I vehemently disagree with you.
     
  17. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Well, that forum is here for that (among other things). I will say, as someone living in Australia, that the outcry has been enormous, & it will be a long, long time --- if ever --- before he repairs his image.

    That's on the proviso he'd be interested in doing so, which, to be honest, I doubt. No one here is buying it.
     
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  18. Irish

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    The guy is physically fucking finished. He hasn't got anything left. Nothing. Now....if I am a former child-sex abuse victim, physically shot , with no education, no prospects, nothing outside of fighting......what do I do? Go penniless and earn the respect of Australians {as if}....or rob the bloody bastards one last time? If Ned Kelly is a hero, if Jake La Motta can beat his wife and throw a fight....then let's cut this guy some slack.

    The "outcry" can go fuck itself. Anthony Mundine and Danny Green NEVER EVER gave a fraction of themselves in World Title fights like this guy Briggs did. Yet they are earning handsomely and receiving plaudits. Fuck it....Kostya Tszyu quit on his stool.

    Briggs took enough punishment. Give him his poxy $250,000 and leave him alone.
     
  19. Ramonza Soliloquies

    Ramonza Soliloquies "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    I could not disagree more strongly. It's tantamount to theft. If you're, "physically fucking finished," don't climb into the ring. Don't swindle the public & talk up a great fight, light the fire, essentially lie to all & sundry, & then not only quit, but do so in the most contemptuous, revolting fashion. He is the definition of a low-life --- previously, outside the ring. Now, inside it as well.

    He doesn't deserve one red cent. The man deserves every bottle that crowd could throw at him, & I hope the contempt which he has been shown to this point lasts indefinitely in this country. That's one thing he has earned.
     
  20. KaukipRrr

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    Briggs also has a criminal history of being a cunning miscreant rat, if he knew there was a danger to his well being in the first place, he obviously only had one thing in mind to preserve his health and his wealth,.. take a dive early, to which he did.

    As for Green,.. he's a bit like Hatton,.. "Im all for you's, I'm a true blue workin class hero, I'll never let ya's down" ... while, ah,.. 'gently' ..'gently' taking the money, with gentle, gentle propaghanda of both his opposition and the validity of his worthless belt, he's screwing his 'best mates'.
     
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    Interesting comparison, i guess i don't know enough about Green, but yes, that was the case to some degree with Hatton.

    With your points about the brits on here supporting their fighters, despite of whatever they say or do etc.....speaking for me, i genuinely try to be as objective as possible. There are fighters who i support and believe, regardless of where they originate.

    But for the record (and apologies for being off-topic with regards to this thread), i've been quiet about Haye for some time, but i am becoming increasingly irritated by his antics of late Kauki boy.
     
  22. Pascals Wager

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    http://www.smh.com.au/sport/boxing/...iggs-was-not-fit-to-fight-20100722-10n2e.html

    Staggering truth: cash-strapped Briggs was not fit to fight

    SO SEVERE were Paul Briggs's neurological problems in the weeks leading up to his fight against Danny Green that he was forgetting at which gymnasium he was training and mistaking strangers' cars for his own. His conditioning was so poor that he took one body shot in sparring and vomited.
    Briggs's woeful 29-second performance on Wednesday night was not of a man taking a dive, but one who was so desperate for his $200,000 purse he was willing to risk his life in the ring. Briggs, his people, and much of boxing's circle knew the reality of the situation. This was going to be a farce.
    But nobody could talk Briggs out of the fight. He was so reliant on the money he went in with a plan of trying to knock out Green with one quick shot, and should he take a punch, give up.
    <script type="text/javascript"> delayedAds.push(function(){ FD.addExternalReferralsAd($merge(FD.baseAd, { id: "adspot-300x250-pos-3", iframeId: "adspot-300x250-pos-3-iframe", params: $merge($merge(FD.baseAd.params, { pos: 3, aamsz : "300x250" }),getAdParams("300x250")) ,addSmall: true ,smallText: "Advertisement: Story continues below" }) ); } ); </script> He completely lost his bearings after Green landed a probing left jab to the top of his skull – a punch that would not have moved a half-fit boxer – and Briggs said later he was trying to get up, but his body could not respond.
    In the dressing room after the fight, Briggs had a conversation with a close friend and later asked those around him who he had just been speaking to, such was his delirium.
    This is why Briggs should never have returned to the ring, why the Western Australian Professional Combat Sports Commission should never have sanctioned it when their NSW counterparts refused to, and why the International Boxing Organisation should have rejected any notion of Briggs fighting for one of their titles. A source close to Briggs said yesterday he was "battling".
    Green's reputation as a promoter has suffered enormous damage and respected trainer Johnny Lewis slammed the IBO cruiserweight champion for his verbal tirade towards Briggs after the fight.
    "I just hope it doesn't get to Paul and he does something silly," said Lewis, who trained Briggs before the 34-year-old was forced to retire in 2007. "I hope he is able to move on. That is why I didn't think it was a good idea for him to be part of this fiasco.
    "Everyone was aware of the problems Paul had, but they still went on with the promotion and when the inevitable happened they want to kick him in the guts.
    "Paul needs to know we don't think he is a dog, he didn't deserve to be called that."
    Lewis said Briggs had both "physical and mental" problems that forced him to retire, and believed his heart was not in it any more.
    Green yesterday overturned his initial suspicion that Briggs intentionally went down by saying he had reviewed footage, which assured him he had landed a solid punch.
    Briggs's trainer, Billy Hussein, highlighted the lures presented for his charge when questioned about the preparation camp by a Perth radio station yesterday.
    "He's not gonna knock back a fight for an IBO world title ever," Hussein said. "The money was great, plus fighting Danny Green on home soil was everything he wanted to do in his life before he retired."
    Hussein said Briggs did not take a dive. ‘‘I 100 per cent know for a fact Paul Briggs would never ever do that in his life,’’ Hussein said.
    "And let me tell you, if I knew, I would never [have got involved with him]."
    The IBO has requested an investigation from the West Australian authority. The IBO’s vice-president, Phil Austin, said the body had sanctioned the contest as a world-title bout due to "Briggs's reputation" and after being assured by Briggs’s camp via Green that he was in sound condition during training.
    "There was plenty of conjecture over why he retired in the first place, but we’re never going to pay attention to rumours," Austin said.
    "We worked closely with the promoters on this, who acted in good faith [from Briggs’s camp]."
    But Briggs’s part-time trainer, Jeff Fenech, claimed Green knew of Briggs’s problems.
    "Danny Green still said he was fit to fight and he still sold the fight. Then he had the audacity to call him a canine," Fenech said.
    "Are they gonna be competitive if they haven’t fought for three-and-a-half years?
    "Do you honestly believe that Danny Green thought Paul Briggs would be a threat to him at all?"
     
  23. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    How convincing. Too bad the betting splurge sinks their credibility completely.

    Well, that & the punch itself --- Briggs is trash.
     
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    Or!!! Maybe his gloves are that loaded???!!:giggle: Simple fix. Fight in America.:laugh11:
     
  25. The Genius

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    It was fixed guys. Accept it.
     
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    John Henry Lewis was blind as a fucking bat when he fought Joe Louis. Golden Era. Nobody told Lewis to fuck off and get a walking stick. He made his money and retired quietly. It was never even a close fight. The MAN WAS BLIND. Barney Ross tripped the light fantastic for a good 8 rounds with Henry Armstrong. Legends. What about that guy who fought with a broken neck after he fell off a horse, and was "killed" by his opponent in one round. Luther McCarty. Yeah. Was Luther a thief too? He knew he shouldn't be fighting in his condition.

    Maybe Briggs should have walked into a Bank with a sawn-off.
     
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    Jesus of montreal WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    yep, it's pathetic that a few clowns are trying to pass this for a legit fight, and that Brigs was really koed by a glancing backfoot jab. It's obvious for anyone with half a brain cell that he took a dive
     
  28. *Z*

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    Did his gloves feel loaded to you? You fought the guy.
     
  29. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    You said it.
     
  30. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    Do you normally support the idea of people being paid for refusing to do their job --- because that's all Briggs has done, when you get down to it. It's his business to fight, & to be paid for fighting. He didn't do his job, & he shouldn't be paid.
     

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