Who's better? JMM or El Finito?

Who do you think will be remembered as the better fighter? JMM or R. Lopez? Both having similar styles, due in part no doubt to their sharing the same trainer, Nacho Berstein?

 

I don't know about, "Will be," but I know all about who, "should be" remembered as better, & it's not especially close.

I have nigh-on never seen a fighter as nearing perfection as Lopez in my time following the sport.

 

Marquez has fought and beaten better opposition. But Lopez was just as technically brilliant, and had more natural talent.

Lopez, and Too Sharp Johnson were the only two diaperweight fighters that were talented enough to get my attention.

 

Marquez's only clear advantage over Lopez is in opposition, IMO. That's it.

 

Agreed. Ive always liked Marquez too. I was saying he was the best of the Mexican feathers back in the days when everybody was riding MAB and Morales' nuts. And its been proven that he is better than they were.

Lopez and Sanchez however were the two BEST Mexicans of all time. In terms of skill and talent. Greatest in terms of accomplishment goes to Chavez.

 

Myself, I rate Ruben Olivares the greatest Mexican fighter ever (all criterion considered). Where does he rank for you, X?

 

Right hehind Chavez. 3 is probably Finito, though you could make a case for Sanchez or even maybe Marquez. 4 is Sal, and I have JMM 5th.

 

if Finito had taken the risks Marquez has, and moved up in weight, he would've lost a few. I think they're not too far from each other in terms of greatness and talent.

 

marquez was better, and i dont consider it up for debate

 

If we're talking mythical matchup (although there's a forum for that), then sure I'd pick Lopez to win.

Beyond that, I can't see how anyone can argue that Marquez isn't the historically better fighter of the two.

 

Yes, but that's a massive advantage.

 

I'm saying.

"I know he accomplished more... but what if Lopez accomplished just as much?"

 

I guess if i look at it that way i have go with Lopez.

 

I'm not surprised there's some debate. But I have a hard time imagining a solid case for anyone except Marquez.

With all due respect to flawless technique and punch placement, I don't think Lopez's superiority in these areas (JMM has great technique and punch placement too by the way) comes close to matching JMM's superiority in the areas of competition and achievement.

 

This is a joke, right?

Supposing you'd pick Lopez in a MM, what if you didn't? What if you picked JMM? Then who would be better?

I personally think JMM is tougher and has more heart. And for that reason I think he'd beat Lopez in a P4P matchup.

 

Lopez had heart as well he just didn't have to show it very often.

 

JMM has to rate above Lopez, imo. JMM accomplished much more against much better opposition. If Lopez had fought a high calibre of opposition he could have been ranked above JMM, but as it stands, they're not even close.

 

Lopez. Marquez got a loss.

 

If Lopez had as much heart as JMM, he would've moved up in weight to find challenges.

 

You know boxing.:bears:

 

*claps hands together* "Answer the question Whiskey! Did Juan Manuel Marquez not lost to Chris John? Did Juan Manuel Marquez not lose twice to Manny Pacquiao?"

 

All these guys beatin' each other! Ain't none of 'em beaten Ricardo Lopez...

 

x2

 

:bears:

 

Marquez is better all around.

I always thought JMM was as skilled as Lopez but he has also proved to be a warrior when he needed to. Meaning when he was tested.

Lopez to me never was tested and had Carbajal and Gonzalez who had a classic trilogy between them too.

Honestly as much as I respect Lopez' skills I thought his undefeated resume was overrated.

Not facing two hall of famers in Carbajal and Gonzalez is a fucking shame.

JMM is better and is not a debate.

 

It's significant, certainly (although I am one who feels Lopez deserves more recognition for his accolades than he is sometimes credited with), but certainly no more than the difference in class between them as fighters --- Lopez was much better than Marquez at any point in the latter's career.

Head-to-head, Marquez would take the beating of his life, were Lopez his size. The man was that brilliant --- maybe the most wondrous fighter I've seen in my time following the sport.

 

It is much easier to be 'technically perfect' when you have two feet long arms. Midgets always have the better body coordination that makes them look good all around. They can't punch for shit, but that is always forgiven in p4p rankings.

However, which one of them was "better" in the sense that he fought closer to Sugar Ray Robinson's style is meaningless. Marquez had the much better career

 

I struggle to understand how you can be so sure of this?

 

marquez is better period.

 

You think that Lopez, P4P, could have dealt with Pacquiao? I don't think so.