Why is Manny facing Margarito next?

Pacquiao is on roids

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The thing with Mosley is there are documented records showing he took steriods one time, during ODLH II. Also any unbiased observer would easily notice that during that fight Mosley was more muscular and slower than any other point in his career. It's funny though how Floyd's fans and Mosley's haters seem to love to through out baseless facts that Mosley has obviously used steriods his whole career.

I got no problem with the criticism of what Shane did, but let's not alter the facts when doing so.

 

It's pretty suspicious though Lib four Lib, how he can punch full of so much vigor and endless energy verses Margarito,.. but do much less work over the course of 3 rounds against Floyd and be completely gassed.. it then occurred to me about something suspicious Shane said during an interview about his participance in the USADA program,.. "It's been a great learning experience,.. they've taught me about what to use instead, some healthy alternatives" .... alternatives to what?... one must ask the question.. :crafty:

 

And there is no document of Margarito ever been in the ring with loaded gloves. Either we go by the documents or we don't

 

Ugotabe & Kaukiprr essentially beat me to the two points I was going to make.

 

Like that charming, up-standing gent in your avatar?

 

The thing is you have to look at differences. When Shane was documented as using steriods we saw it. Slower punches, increased muscle mass. When Margarito went off of his magic wraps we saw it, almost complete opposite punching power.

Shane has been a fast hyperactive fighter his whole career. The fact that he gassed in the Mayweather fight is more than likely evidenced to the fact that he's 39. The fact that he's documented with having used steriods once is merely a lucky convience for his detractors.

Also it's very easy to hit a heavy bag for 8 rds and not gas. Margarito gave up little to no resistance in their fight.

 

Sure I did,.. you... fucking ANGLO!!! :crafty:

 

POOR Analogy...

To Date, NO ONE Can SPECIFICALLY State just HOW PED's Helps in a Boxing Match...Does it Make U STRONGER???...Does it Make U Hit HARDER???...Does it Improve STAMINA???...PUNCH RESISTANCE???...There's Still a GRAY AREA as to Just HOW PED's Helps a Fighter in the Ring...

Moreso, Guys like Fernando Vargas have Decisively LOST Fights w/PED's in their System...Hell, even when Shane was Roided Up in the RE w/Dela, it DIDN'T Help his Performance @ All...N Fact, he Fought WORSE than he Did the 1st Time, Despite what the Judges Scorecards Said...

In the Case of Loading your Handwraps, the Advantage is OBVIOUS...Suddenly, U Revert from a Guy w/AVERAGE Power @ Best, to a Monster that SHREDS the Skin of Undefeated Fighters w/Single Shots...

There's DEGREES of Cheating, Dude...Shane Mosley Certainly ISN'T a Saint, but Antonio Margarito is the LOWEST of the Low...REED Can't See how Anybody Could Argue Otherwise...



REED:mj:

 

Are you serious with this or just making a point? Because we do know from multiple sports what good PEDs do. Steroids are used mostly in sports that require explosive power and muscle endurance, so yes, steroids make you both hit harder and keeps your muscle from getting tired. Then there are drugs like EPO which is used in cycling and long-distance running. It helps you with getting enough oxygen to your blood, improving stamina. Also that would be helpful in boxing.

There is a reason why PEDs are banned in sports. There is a reason why Floyd wants Pacman not to take them. There is a reason why Mosley took them.

About whether or not steroids can be compared to loading gloves is another thing and I can see both sides of that argument. However it is really clear that PEDs do help in boxing and to knowingly take them is cheating

 

So Explain to REED why Mosley Looked WORSE in the RE w/Dela, ON PED'S, than he Did in their 1st Bout???...Explain to REED why Fernando Vargas' Body NEVER Looked Better than it Did N the Dela Fight, yet he STILL Ended Up w/a Violent KO LOSS???...

PED's CAN Give U an Advantage, but Not Nearly w/the Same Degree of IMMEDIACY that Loading your Handwraps Does...N Boxing, U Inflict Damage w/your HANDS...Tampering w/the Hands is THE Absolute WORST Thing a Boxer Can Do...

If your Chin SUCKS, Taking PED"s AIN'T Gonna Improve your Punch Resistance...PED's WOULDN'T Improve Kelly Pavlik's Handspeed or Footwork, NOR Would it Give Jermain Taylor BETTER Stamina...But if ANY Fighter Loads his Handwraps, he INSTANTLY Becomes a BETTER, More EFFECTIVE Fighter...



REED:mj:

 

A better question is, how does Ped's help a batter in baseball... it apparently does, evidenc suggests it definitely does,..I just don't know specifically how..

 

Basebally is a MARATHON as Opposed to a SPRINT...162 Games is INCREDIBLY Taxing...Specifically, PED's Helped w/Stamina & RECOVERY from Injury...PED's Also Lead to DRAMATIC Increases in Homeruns...A Guy like Brady Anderson would BARELY Hit 20 Hrs in a Season, yet Managed 50 on PED's...Barry Bonds NEVER hit even 50 in a Season Until he EXPLODED for 73...

Now WHAT was your Point???...



REED:dunno:

 

My point was for batters specifically,.. do Ped's help with eyesight / hand eye coordination?... because.. it doesn't take much to whack the ball over the fence, it's about hitting it cleanly,.. therefore,..I find it quite suprising that ped's actually enhance ones vision... and in boxing it may help to see punches coming.

 

I have to agree with REED.

I mean such a big deal has been made of whether or not Pacquiao is on roids despite the fact that he has never tested negative for anything. In fact, this didn't become an issue until Team Mayweather made the accusations that Pacquiao was cheating and didn't really have any evidence.

Whereas we look at fighters like Fernando Vargas and Shane Mosley and there's no evidence that steroids helped them in their performances. The only thing it helped them with was having more muscular physiques. But neither looked faster, stronger, sharper, or fitter when it came time to perform in the ring. At least IMO I don't see where it was that they benefitted from it.

We want to look at Pacquiao and form our own conclusions, but some of the reasons I hear from people believing Pacman is on roids is ridiculous. I wonder if the Cotto fight is what made people believe it but even in that fight, I don't see any real thing to point at and say "This guy is benefitting from PEDs". :dunno:

Its ridiculous really. I'm glad most are starting to see that this was just a ploy on Mayweather's part to not have to face Pacquiao.

 

My question was not rhetorical, though.

 

Margarito shouldn't be getting any kind of payday. He's a cheating asshole who hid behind the guy wrapping his hands: "an innocent mistake" my ass.

If someone is putting plaster inserts in your handwraps, you know about it.

 

In Regards to HITTING a Baseball, PED's Produce an EXTRA "Push" if U Will, 1nce the Bat has Made Contact w/the Ball...PED's DIDN'T Make Guys like Brady Anderson, Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire or Sammy Sosa BETTER Hitters, but it DID Make them More POWERFUL Hitters...

The Necessary Hand-Eye Coordination to HIT a Baseball was ALWAYS There, w/or w/Out PED Use....

REED:Lok:

 

PED's also make one work harder, & this is actually where a lot of the improvement stems from, though people seem unaware of it. Nobody wants to waste a cycle, especially at the highest levels of competition. You know what they say about spotting the 'roider at your gym --- he's the first one in, & the last one out. I think there is an element of thought out there that taking PED's is akin to a student taking a test with a cheat sheet, & that just isn't the reality. A lot of the improvements come from the extra work put in by users.

 

Becuase the fight was at 154?:dunno:

Because he was no longer an undefeated fighter?

Despite the controversy of the Mosley-DLH decision, many ringsiders had it for Mosley...and one of the oft-stated reasons was because his punches clearly were clealry harder, and had more impact.

And EPO was supposedly part of his pre-fight regimen.

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What does the Vargas example of "STILL Ended Up w/a Violent KO LOSS" prove?

Vargas-DLH was pretty much an even fight until Vargas got tagged in the tenth round, and Vargas was clearly able to impose his strength on DLH during the fight, part of why the fight was so close.

 

What was Fernando's quote before that fight, "a Meixcan isn't supposed to look like this" or something like that?

 

Pretty disturbing to watch. It speaks to the way fighters look at this stuff (& probably, the way their trainers teach them to look at it). That was his childhood friend he cheated. It was his childhood friend whose health he took an unnececessary risk with.

How this fellow essentially gets away with this indiscretion in the eyes of so many is beyond me, but I can tell you this --- make no mistake, if that were Margarito in that interview, or someone else similarly-reviled, they would be lynched.

 

Let it Go, Dude...

BESIDES the FACT that what Margarito Did was CLEARLY MORE DANGEROUS, he Still HASN'T ADMITTED his Wrongdoing...

As Buddy Rydell Alluded to, Margarito STILL Plays that "I Didn't Know" Card, which is BULLSHIT...There's NOfuckingWAY a Fighter Could Get his Hands Wrapped & NOT Know when they're Being LOADED...

Mosley's Crime was LESS Severe AND he ADMITTED To it, if Reluctantly...



REED:dancingBaby:

 

Reed please, I can't agree because it's like a golfer being more powerful and explosive,..when the more IMPORTANT thing is to hit the ball square,.. they can have all the power in the world, but if they chip it, or nick it, it wont go over the fence,.. if you hit a baseball square onto the bat flying at 100 miles an hour,.. it does the job itself, strength has nothing to do with it. Which is why I question, the prospect of ped's actually enhancing reflexes and hand/eye coordination.

 

:::stir: Poor choice of words for a black fighter you TYPICAL AUSTRALIAN RACIST!!!!! :crafty:

 

You've got to be kidding me. You get points now for admitting to cheating after you're caught?

What is that? The mark of a man of class?

 

Agreed. A bodybuilder doing a cycle of winstrol will fuck you up less than an 100lb angry girl who is armed with a hammer. Being hit hard on the head with a blunt instrument is 100% guaranteed to do damage, every-time, always.

 

My dear Irish 'feind',.. had no idea the 'rightisms' were globuling on your wolf ear like that of a cancer yesterday,.... but I wheel in a vet radiation machine today as a sign of goodwill,..clamp and *bizzzzzzzzzz!!!

 

Well, that's ALOT Better than Getting Caught & Playing the "Who Me" Card, as Margarita is STILL Doing...



REED:shit:

 

&?

Anything is better than what Margarito has done. That doesn't make Mosley look any better.