Pavlik-Pirog: "waiting to hear back from HBO"

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=29819

From Len Satterfield:

 

Steve Kim also has an article on Pavlik up at Maxboxing.

http://www.maxboxing.com/news/promo-lead/finger-pointing-in-youngstown

Pavlik's father:

Loew:

 

Pirog should stay away from Pavlik. Beating a slow arse cracker from the midwest, especially an ex-champ who has been found out twice now, is not the way to go.

 

WAR PIROG ! Pavlik is yesterday's news

 

Pirog would make Kelly look bad...Kelly has gotten so slow and doesn't use his jab like he used to. It's weird the way he lost his form. I used to think he could beat Calzaghe
:jaw:

 

Isn't Pirog the champion now?

 

Paper champ...Martinez is the champ

 

Might be a good idea to fight Pavlik now if it's available. Pirog needs to take what he can get and not try holding out for Martinez which may not be available. He gets some big fight experience and makes a little extra money at the same time.

 

Better that Pirog beats a few more Yanks and then HBO can roll Kelly out like they did Rocky IV.

Jacobs can rematch Pirog and be Apollo Screed.

 

I think Pavlik beats Pirog. Knocks him out.

 

I hope Pirog puts the nail in the coffin.

 

why would pirog hold out for a tougher foe and a smaller purse?

 

I thought Pirog looked like nice last weekend. I'm inclined to say I'd like to see him fight some more before throwing him in with Pavlik. But can you even throw someone in with Pavlik anymore? He's looking awfully beatable.

 

Jacobs = Creed
Pirog = Drago
Kelly =Sort of washed up white guy who chews bakky and can do it for America.

Who's in????

 

It's not Pirog's style to move and box from the fringe,.. it is Pirog's style to get into the inside,.. or disable fringe counter-punching traps, and fly in for the hail mary,.. if Pirog wants to come to Pavlik.. that's GOOD for Pavlik,.. so stylistically,.. it's an intruiging fight,.. and will certainly NOT be an easy night for Pirog,.. I could only believe Pirog beats Pavlik when I see it, this is an entirely different fighter to Jacobs.

 

As Dwyer pin pointed weeks ago, Pirog is of the Winky Wright or Don Curry mould - a guy who presses forward, but who once you look past the geography, is a pure bred counter puncher. He isn't a swarmer or traditional pressure fighter of the type Pavlik would be comfortable with, who will take a shot to land 2 or 3. He's very defensively sound and he's very adroit with angles. This guy is an outstanding fighter.

Roll on Pirog-Martinez after this; that's an elite, elite level fight and a gorgeous blend of styles.:cheer: Pirog/Pavlik isn't. That's an easy fight to pick, IMO.

 

Pirog's defence is gonna be too much for Pavlik, IMO whether he's inside or outside. He's very patient & measured in the way he comes forward, he isn't going in there winging shots looking to overwhelm somebody, he's doing it with the same approach as a guy like Martinez does from the outside. He actually reminds me of a guy like Curry or Duran in his controlled aggression. Maybe not on that level, but the approach is the same. An aggressive counter puncher. He'll be way too much for Pavlik, I think.

 

He's open for a straight pop to that red bulb however,.. and he is there to be chipped,.. Jacobs had the skill to hit and move,.. but we found out that Pirog was an expert in disabling 'timing traps',.. he walked through Jacobs and popped him with ease when he started to slow down and posture. Pavlik is a completely different style,.. in this fight, it is hunter verses hunter,.. it will benefit Pavlik if Pirog shows up, because he will hit something, it might be a shoulder, elbow, or he'll light a match up his scalp,.. Pavlik's punches are heavy,.. if he hits you enough, you'll change. It's about styles and strengths, and if you deliver yourself on a plate to Pavlik,.. in Pirog's case, the dish maybe swivelling, but it's on the same rail, not the kind of UFO dish that makes Pavlik have to spin with it.

 

We'll see, my friend! It's an interesting fight. To me though, this fight is gonna be a modern day Duran-Cuevas. I think we'll be surprised how easily and how badly Pirog beats Pavlik up. That Pirog 'is there to be clipped' is the illusion that Kelly will buy into in this fight and he'll pay all the more for it. Pavlik's first stoppage loss is a distinct possibility here.

 

I guess what I mean is,.. 'something' is there to be chipped at,.. not neccesarily the tip of his chin,..but this time it's not a case where Pavlik swishes and his opponent is already a metre away from the original position, and with Pavlik's type of power,.. it's the 'heavy handed' Vitali Klitschko variety, where it may not have you out cold,.. but it insidiously takes it's toll with each passing round.

I like Pirog more than I ever have Pavlik,.. have been watching him for some time now, and will be hoping for an impressive Pirog victory, but it's all about styles, the more variety he manages to defeat the better fighter he is.

 

Pirog needs a regular HBO appearance against someone he will crush. Then you can start talking all of these big matchups. He is still a complete unknown other than the 75,000 who were watching his ppv fight.

 

Thats why I say I'd like to see him & Lemeuix get it on. That could be an excellent B.A.D. fight, and it'd sell big in Canada. But idk if Lemeuix's people are ready to throw David in with a guy on Pirog's level. I doubt it.

 

You make posts time after time that make me wonder whether you're a boxing fan or a promoter.

 

If HBO just made good fights time in and time out, and let the sport work for them, rather than try to manipulate fans with what they think outcomes will be and who, "should" win, boxing would be a lot better off and probably as popular as it's ever been.

It's stunning that you as a fan (presumably), would make a statement that a fight nobody cares about, and that most fans would complain about, should be made so that promoters can make more money. Actually, in fact, promoters would make more in the long run if they justlet boxing be what it is.

 

Yeah, I don't really want to see Pirog, or anyone else, in blatant "showcase" fights on HBO, but if his handlers want to broaden his name-recognition in the States, they could take a fight or two against a lesser opponent, or at least "lesser" than Pavlik, on Friday Night Fights or maybe see about getting a special Shobox date, or something like that...although that might be easier said that done.

 

All depends on how confident they are that he beats Pavlik I suppose. Personally I think the risk/reward ratio is quite favourable for their man, as is, given his ability.

 

Yeah, if there's some money in making that Pavlik fight now, you can see the reason for taking it.

Pirog just turned 30, so while he hasn't had a lot of fights in his career and just come into the consciousness of a lot of American boxing fans, he's not necessarily "young"...so turning down paydays at this point in his life/career may not be the best way to capitalize on his win over Jacobs.

 

C'mon man would YOU throw Lemeiew in with Pirog if you were managing his career. Lemiex is a bright talent and hits like a truck but he's soooo green Pirog is in his 30's and is a puzzle in the ring.

 

Well you do have a point about Pirog prob being too big a step up for Lemeuix, but I think its time for Lemeuix to fight some contender level guy. He's destroyed enough cans that its time for him to see a real test.

In a perfect world he fights Chavez Jr in the fall. I'd love to see David cave acne boy's skull in.

My guess is Lemeuix prob fights someone like a Brian Vera next. Then after that perhaps a real test, Fernando Guerrero maybe? That guy doesnt impress me though. I think Lemeuix would knock Guerrero's head off.

Eventually wouldnt everybody LOOOOVE to see Lemeuix vs Angulo? That fight makes me salivate thinking about it.

 

LEMIEUX , that's how it's spelled. As for the thread's subject, I think Pavlik-Pirog is an interesting fight. From what I've seen of both, and I've only seen Pirog against Jacobs, I'd pick Pirog.

As for the Jacobs fight, I'm surprised Pirog was down 3-1 at the time of the stoppage and was really surprised by the punchstats too.