What was the better shot?

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Better shot?

  1. Wallcot's hook on Charles

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  2. Suzie Q

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  1. Hut*Hut

    Hut*Hut The Mackintosh of temazepam

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  2. BOSS

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    I liked Jersey Joe Walcott shot better
     
  3. Roll With The Punches

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    is that Walcott punch against Charles a hook or an uppercut :dunno:

    it keeps getting called a hook but i'd say otherwise :doh:
     
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    Looked like an uppercut to me
     
  5. Hut*Hut

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    I'd call it a rising hook.....hookercut, as it were. An uppercut is just thrown differently, different things going on with the feet, balance, different arm angle, point of impact etc. The beauty of the shot is that it was disguised though, it was an unorthodox shot, so I might be wrong, it's a grey area. Call it what you will! :)
     
  6. Barristan

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    Walcott didn't use his jab enough
     
  7. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    It depends on how you approach the term, 'Best.' Marciano's shot put Walcott out the minute it landed, ending the fight long before the administration of the count. Walcott's crippled Charles, but still left him with a modicum of momentum & senses (as evidenced by the pained expression on the fallen Charles' face), leaving the door ajar for him to beat the count. From that perspective, Marciano's was the, "safer," & therefore, better punch.

    That said, Walcott's was a good deal sneakier --- Walcott saw Marciano lining him up, he just didn't get his own punch off at the right time. Charles was in breather-mode, backing up, awaiting the next exchange. It would never come. That makes Walcott's the more likely punch to land, & taken that way, the more dangerous shot, with a higher rate of success.

    All depends on the angle you look at it --- two terrific shots. Neither Charles nor Walcott were soft touches, & they were both gone on one shot those nights.
     
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  8. Hut*Hut

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    As loathe as I am to drawer further attention to it....'which' was the better shot? Which.
     
  9. Baron

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    Both are beautiful shots. As Ramonza said, Walcott's shot was less predictable than Marciano's but I really like the way Marciano set up that shot. It was perfectly timed. I cannot choose, both punches are the type of shot that makes me love boxing.
     
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    Good spot.
     
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    I'd say a left hook even though he brought it from way down. The way he shifted his weight and the way the thumb is facing upward on impact says it's a left hook.
     
  12. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    I've always viewed it as a hook.
     
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    Marciano's was better: By the time Walcott got to stopping Charles, he had the benefit of several previous fights with Charles. Marciano had been dropped, was cut and had been blinded by linament for several of the previous rounds, and had no joy with Walcott all night. He was up against it versus a guy he had no experience of, save the preceding 12 rounds of pain, yet he found that shot.

    That said the shot Suzie Q should be compared to is not the Walcott hook but Ray Robinsons vs Fullmer...much different story that. Ray Robinson threw that shot moving backwards against a guy who did not have a reputation for being easily hurt.
     
  14. slystaff

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    Exactly..well said.
     
  15. slystaff

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    Anyway..I can't choose. Both are equally superb.
     
  16. Trplsec

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    For me it's tough to pick against Marciano's shot. Just the way Walcott slumped to the canvas with his face flat on the floor for the entire count is just scary to watch.

    As far as still photos are concerned, the impact of Marciano's punch on Walcott's face is second to none in my opinion.

    Both were sudden, dramatic kill shots but Marciano's just seemed more amazing given the flow of the fight and the immediate aftermath of the punch.
     
  17. cdogg187

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    I see what you mean, but I think part of it was that he found so much success with right hand counters that he would often forget the jab because the right was working so well... part of what lured Charles, a smart cookie, right into that left was the fact that he was never expecting it.... I also think Walcott would jab less against Charles simply because Ezzard jabbed better
     
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    they are both wonderful shots... but for sheer devastation, Marciano's is simply amazing
     
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    Both amazing shots. I guess I like Walcott's better from an aesthetic standpoint. Both are pretty sick.

    BTW, nice cheap shot by Rocky at the end. :lol:
     
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    lol, yeah its like he's saying "fucking cocksucker" with that little bump to the head with his left
     
  21. slystaff

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    Great Topic btw...

    These are two of my favourite all time one punch KOs
     
  22. cdogg187

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    definitely, they are both classics
     
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    I always love when you describe the left hook after the big right, its different but hilarious everytime.
     
  24. Ramonza Soliloquies

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    The Marciano maxim --- Stop punching when the ref counts to three :lol:
     
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    LOL, thanks
     
  26. TLC

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    Marchegiano's punch was thrown with perfect accurace. Short hook right on the "button". Knocked him out cold instantly.

    Walcott's hookercut from hell was a debilitating but not conscious ending KO caused by a tremendous neck wrenching blow. Charles head seem to do the Exorcist.

    I voted for Walcott.
     

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