James Toney Comic Relief.....

Love some of these quotes....

 

Dana must feel cheated. I still can't believe Toney got paid a million and no UFC fighter has yet been paid that amount.

 

Stop explaining it. The talk about what Toney got paid is just boxing fans way of trying to diminish the fact that Couture made Toney his absolute bitch in less than 4 minutes.

Toney has been one of boxing's iron men in the sense that he has never even been seriously hurt let alone close to being stopped. In the octagon he was forced to submit in less than a round. It's tough for some to admit that the tougher guys are in the MMA cage, not the boxing ring. Boxers are soft in comparison and that is a tough pill to swallow for fans that have always held the toughness of boxers in high regard.

 

:atu:wow, you are really having a party now aren't you?

Did Michael Jordan's baseball career also prove that the greater athletes play baseball?

 

Good one, these MMA fans are delusional ::

 

No, but then again, the world's greatest basketball player wasn't left lying on his back waving for the umpire to rescue him either.

As I've said many times, the Toney-Couture fight proved nothing in the overall scheme of things. But the one thing it proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is that even the toughest boxer can be reduced to begging for help in the MMA cage.

Try debating THAT point.

 

Nothing remotely delusional about saying that even the toughest, most iron-chinned boxer around can be forced to wave his arm frantically to be saved in an MMA cage.

As I said, Toney is a fat tub of goo who is many pounds and years removed from his prime. But in the boxing ring he is still a tough guy that never came even CLOSE to being stopped.

Throw that same tough guy in an MMA cage and look what happens to the toughness?????

It's a different world. Argue that point.....

 

I don't see the difference. The best basketball player in the world was reduced to a helpless, clueless, unskilled amateur in the tough fields of baseball. Just like Toney had to admit that he can not compete under different rules of a different sport.

Seriously, I can not find your point here

 

The minute baseball and basketball become combat sports and the minute basketball fans diminish baseball as a sport full of non athletes, your analogy will have some modicum of relevance.

And I also don't remember Jordan stepping onto the baseball diamond talking about 'killing' anyone. He knew it was a different sport that would be a challenge. He had no misconceptions, nor did basketball fans, that his prowess in one sport would translate to the other.

Terrible, terrible analogy. Typical.

 

McCallum would have never tapped though

 

Now that's a solid comeback right there.

 

Would it have made any difference if he had?

 

Or Freitas.

Wait, never mind.

 

Yeah I'm pretty sure if Jordan made the switch talking about how he was going to crush pitches from Hall of Famers, it probably would have made him look even more ridiculous. Just my opinion.

"I'm the most feared man in basketball for 10 years. Martinez, Johnson??? I'll crush anything those fools can throw."

 

I agree it makes the individual look even more stupid, but it doesn't have any relevance in comparing sports.

 

It does when the sports are considered similar and the idea is that prowess at one will carry over to the other.

Hence the reason basketball compared to baseball is not the same as MMA and boxing.

And whether fans like it or not, you can't deny that to the casual observer, James Toney made boxing look stupid in addition to himself.

 

To the casual observer yeah, can't deny it. Although i'm not sure if anybody who follows both sports with anything beyond a casual interest thought the outcome would be any different than it was.

Couture would have had to have done something exceedingly stupid to lose that fight. Chances of that were also virtually zero as Randy is a veteran, not some hot headed kid out there trying to prove something.

 

Ray Mercers MMA stink showed us more about boxers in the mma than Toneys did

 

Nah, when Bojansky kicked him in the head and he quit in the first minute.

 

I love it when people hang their boxing versus MMA hat on Mercer's win over Sylvia but happily forget his performances against Bonjasky and Kimbo.

Mercer was a joke in both fights.

 

Cant believe how Mercer got owned in that fight.

 

What about Bojansky needing a flash kd to get, on every non corrupted scorecard, at best a draw vs a wash out François Botha, and while I never saw the rematch, I heard it was another dubious decision. Does this show Muay Thai is a joke ??, as Bojansky was the dominant hw in K-1 at the time ( before Schilt took over ) and Botha was a fringe contender at best in his prime in boxing. They are ''arguments'' on both side of the fence, none convincing enough to make a solid point

 

Its retarded to claim that the average MMA fighter is tougher than the average boxer ( or muay thai fighter or kickboxer ). It's a fact that boxing is more brutal and dangerous than MMA. Plus a lot of MMA guy's who comes from wrestling or BJJ have never been hit in the face untill they're adult, some adapt, some don't but can still have a very good career as they can nullify striking. BAsically the first thing you learn is boxing is to get hit in the face and those who can't handle it just drop out after a month or two

 

I'm not sure how a subjective adjective like 'brutal' can be used in the same sentence as the word 'fact'.

But that's not really my point. My comment, as indicated, is a reaction to boxing fans that say MMA has a culture of quitting and it is accepted simply because people tap or submit.

The idea that Toney, one of the toughest guys in the history of boxing, was forced to tap inside of 4 minutes should be that silly notion to rest. They are different sports and tapping is necessary in one.

And honestly, there isn't a battle that can take place between a boxer and an MMA fighter that would prove which it 'tougher'. It really should never have been a debate because it can be settled.

That being said, hopefully boxing fans have a little better understanding about that 'culture of quitting'.

 

Trplsec,

Please stop acting like such a faggot.

Thanks.

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