Boxing in UFC is done: "I don't care if it's Mayweather or anybody else."

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    White: "We won't be doing any more boxing" after Toney's UFC 118 loss

    by John Morgan on Aug 29, 2010 at 5:10 am ET
    BOSTON – You can call it the end of an era.

    Granted, that era lasted all of three minutes and 19 seconds, but it's still over.

    After James Toney (0-1 MMA, 0-1 UFC) was forced to tap out (or wave out, if you choose to be technical) in the first round of his UFC 118 contest with Randy Couture on Saturday night at Boston's TD Garden, White said he's done with boxers making their way to the organization – no matter who it is.

    "I thought we answered this question in 1993, but James came out and he picked a fight," White said. "We answered the question again in 2010. I don't think it needs to be answered again. I don't care if it's (Floyd) Mayweather or anybody else."

    It was in 1993 that a boxer appeared in the very first UFC event. Art Jimmerson's infamous one-gloved approach to the fight is an iconic image in the history of the sport.

    Melton Bowen would later appear at UFC 4, where he was defeated by Steve Jennum.

    Toney, of course, is one of boxing's all-time greats. But at 43 years old and 70 pounds heavier than he was at the time his illustrious prizefighting career began, "Lights Out" was simply too advanced in age to begin a real run at mixed martial arts success.

    But White says he's not even interested in hiring a top boxer in his prime because single-disciplined fighters simply can't win in MMA.

    "It's unfair to bring a guy in with one discipline, no matter if he's trained for eight or nine months," White said. "I wasn't the guy going out there and trying to badmouth boxing and take boxing down and hurt the sport of boxing. James Toney picked a fight, and he got one.

    "I don't see [other boxers] ever doing that, coming out and whatever. James Toney is the guy that's crazy enough to come out and do this. He picked a fight, he got one, and we won't be doing any more boxing."

    From the very day the fight was announced, White openly called the contest a "freak show." But the UFC boss admitted than even though he felt confident his Hall of Fame fighter would defeat Toney, as Saturday night approached, he became more and more tense.

    "I didn't try to sell this thing as 'Tune in on Saturday night, and you're going to see the most spectacular battle or war,'" White said. "I basically said what I was hoping would happen. Anything can happen in a fight.

    "We're not after boxing. We're not trying to attack boxing. I love boxing, and I thought this question was answered back in 1993, but I've got to be honest. As we got closer to the fight, my stomach hurt, and I was a little dizzy. I was nervous. Mixed martial arts stepped in there against a boxer, but at the end of the day, it's a fight. Anything can happen in a fight."

    Some MMA observers believed a loss for Couture would have been catastrophic for the sport. White said his nervousness was based on something entirely different.

    "What was I nervous about?" White asked MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "That I'd have to deal with James Toney for the next year.

    "It's been a fun ride with James. It's been very interesting. He's a nutty guy. I was nervous for that fight."

    White made it clear he didn't want any of his comments regarding Toney to be considered a sign of disrespect. Instead, he held praise for the boxer even though he did duck out an a scheduled appointment at the evening's post-fight presser.

    "He's a tough guy, and he's been around for a long time, and I love him," White said. "I have a lot of respect for James Toney. When you come in with one discipline, you can't expect the guy to come in and have great ground work. You know what? He stepped up. He wanted to do it, and he did it.

    "He hung in there longer than I thought he would. I'm sure he was as prepared as he could be. Anybody that knows James Toney over the past few years knows that James isn't the most physically fit boxer on the planet. But let me tell you what, when I signed him in my office, he's lost a lot of weight since that day. He took it serious, he went out there, and he gave it a shot."

    Nevertheless, that shot missed the mark, and White says he's done with Toney.

    "He's the IBA and NABO heavyweight champion," White said. "He's a boxer, and that's what he does."
     
  2. steve_dave

    steve_dave Hard As Fuck

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    Excellent news. :bears:
     
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    Dana White should have thrown Toney in with a striker. Cro Cop maybe or Pat Berry. Now that would be interesting instead of the bullshit we got.
     
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    Agreed. He probably still would have lost but at least the fight would have been more entertaining.
     
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    White would kick at least 50% of his roster to the curb if he could sign Mayweather.
     
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    Is your first name Heath ? Cuz you're a joker
     
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    Not a chance in hell. After the stigma Toney just created for boxers trying MMA, the UFC will have a helluva a time selling another boxer stepping into the cage.

    Dana White himself wouldn't go see Mayweather-Maynard. It just wouldn't be a fight.

    The UFC is growing quickly without Mayweather. Why would he drop half his fighters for one guy? There wouldn't be near the return. Period.
     
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    I really don't think you even believe what you just wrote.
     
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    Mayweather is a huge mainstream attraction worldwide. White isn't exactly a man of his word.
     
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    You might find this hard to believe but Dana has guys that are bigger attractions in the MMA world.

    Mayweather vs Maynard wouldn't be near the draw that Lesnar-Velasquez for example.

    But that's not really the point. White isn't going to deplete his fighter inventory by 50% to sign one guy. Period.
     
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    Lesnar a bigger draw than Floyd :giggle:

    2,4000,000. Thats all i gotta type.
     
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    Fact is unless they put a boxer in with a striker the fight will go the same way everytime. Bell.Takedown. G&P or Sub. Over...Same thing would happen to floyd.
     
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    Mayweather is an even more defensive boxer than Toney, I've been saying forever that a defensive style is the worst style for a boxer to employ in MMA. It ain't fucking working period.
     
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    lol What the fuck kind of number is that?
     
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    The number of the highest selling PPV ever which Mayweather participated in.
     
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    You do realize boxing and MMA are different sports, right?

    Until Mayweather sells a single MMA PPV ticket, Lesnar is the bigger MMA draw. Period. End of discussion.
     
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    Brock Lesnar :lol:
     
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    Remember when Floyd wrestled the Giant?:giggle: Too funny.
     
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    Boxer can't cut it in mma without proper training.Toney got owned in the worse possible way.I don't care what anybody says,he was humiliated.
     
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    Beat me to the punch, bastard.

    But in thinking about Lesnar and boxing, now that we have an idea how easy a wrestler can destroy a boxer, Lesnar might be the baddest man on the planet..
     
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    3 Examples of Trplsec NOT Initiating the Boxing vs. MMA Debate....



    REED:shit:
     
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    Trplsec pretty obviously hates boxing... yet both he and TFK insist on posting about MMA on boxing forums. It's odd.
     
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    Mayweather would sell more PPV's in UFC than Lesnar and Lesnar couldn't draw flies in boxing.
     
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    You know why that is ? Becasue people are idiots. Idiots who fool themselves into thinking that a boxer has a snowball's chance in hell in the octagon. Boxers do not stand a chance in mma. PERIOD
     
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    It's a hot topic. And again, you can't ignore Toney getting beaten so easily.

    Plus I don't have to prove that I like boxing. It's not like Steve and the Canadian Mounted Police are going to stop me from watching it.

    And let's be honest, when you have a moron claiming that 4 oz gloves don't make any difference in punching power, you have to respond.
     
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    Says the guy who just posted AGAIN in the MMA forum despite hating the sport and after indicating that he would no longer post here.

    I would say it's like the pot calling the kettle black but the analogy doesn't fit.
     
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    I think it's pretty obvious that boxers are very limited, and that it's pretty clear that the HW champ of boxing never was the baddest man on earth. Prime Ali gets beaten senseless in MMA. What prime champ wouldn't? Even Tyson admitted to being afraid when he fought Mitch Green in the street, and said that boxing and fighting are two different things.
     
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    lol Might want to look at what you wrote there bud.
     
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    *Z* WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    If Floyd fought int he UFC, it would certainly be a HUGE draw. No doubt about that. He'd still get beat though, I have absolutely no doubt about that.
     
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    Yep, he would carry people with him. But you have to think that Mayweather would have to fight in the UFC's 155 pound division. Who in that division would be a fight worth selling with Mayweather.

    Floyd's a huge draw and would be a crossover attraction above anyone else. But Mayweather-Maynard or Edgar just ain't doing big numbers in my opinion.
     

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