Will Wlad stop Peter or not?

Trainer Emanuel Steward predicted that his fighter IBF/WBO/IBO heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko will take out Sam Peter “in the fourth or fifth round†when they meet Saturday in Frankfurt, Germany. Meanwhile the normally reserved Wladimir sounded more belligerent than normal as he razzed the “Nigerian Nightmare†during a press conference. “Sam, you can touch the world championship belt. I’ll also let you take pictures with it. This is my personal gift for you – but you won’t come any closer to that belt.â€

Gotta love Wlad talking smack. Good for him ! Anyway I think it's pretty much given that Wlad beats him but will he stop him or not?

 

he should but i wouldn't rule out an embarassing knockout (of Wlad) either::

 

of course Peter will get stopped...he is the laziest bastard on the planet, he does his roadwork at .05 miles per hour and is a stupid fighter.

 

That Peter has made a living out this sport pretty much disgusts me. Fat, lazy, thick piece of shit.

 

word. :laughing: You never know with Wlad's incompetant recuperative abilities.

 

it'd be hilarious if Wlad was stopped by a bum, like it was hilarious the previous THREE times this supposedly "great" heavyweight was stopped

 

anyway..hasn't Wlad already beaten Peter from pillar to post? Why are they fighting for a second time?

 

Because it was so fucking awesome the first time that fan interest demands another go round.

 

Pathetically enough it really was the most 'awesome' top end heavyweight fight of the last 5 years.

 

Wladimir will stop Peter this time around....Before round 10...but if he goes to wild he might tired his little pussy ass out again...

 

All Wlad needs to do in this fight to win is jab.

 

I hope Wlad ends his career.

 

But instead he'll win by using his favorite combo, the jab followed by a clinch.

 

he needs to start letting the right hand go early and just get Peter out of there.

 

Were Lamon Brewster and Corrie Sanders any worse than Hasim Rahman and Oliver McCall? Yet most consider Lennox Lewis one of the top heavyweights of all time.

 

Yes...

 

Yes, way worse. Rahman shit all over Sanders.

How dare you ever compare Wlad to Lennox. How dare you.

 

To a degree I agree with Abel Sanchez and it speaks to something I mooted in the past about Manny Steward.

Steward is a trainer and not a manager. I watched him with Lewis when Lewis arrived in Carnival City, South Africa, in 2001.

Steward was asked questions pertaining to Lewis conditioning, as the fight would take place at altitude.

Steward responded that Lewis did so much globetrotting that he had become acclimatized and needed less and less time to get ready. Rahman, of course, had been in South Africa well in advance.

We all know what happened next.

Once a fight starts, Manny's job is to negotiate the fight, minute by minute, round by round. It is NOT his job to make adjustments that pertain to impressions, performance, public appreciation etc. His job is to make sure his guy WINS. Not win in style, or with panache, or flair, just WIN. That is all. Cut and dry, that is it. WIN.

Now I can see a certain merit, like during the Tyson fight, when Lewis was strictly instructed, by a frothing, apoplectic and raging Manny, to "LET THAT SHIT GO". To a degree, he is doing his job when he instructs his fighter to get the other guy out of there ASAP, when the time has come. This is congruous with his obligations, that he must help his fighter win.

However, with the fight already won, and an insurmountable lead on the cards, instructing his man to go for a flash KO is NOT in keeping with the trainers remit, introducing as it does a slight, but real chance, of his man getting caught with something big.

I like Abel Sanchez, and I like the job he did with Frans Botha when Botha, a la Peter, fought a better boxer, and more talented but mercurial opponent in Shannon Briggs. Botha alluded in the post fight press conference about how him and Abel had "worked so hard on the left hook, I just couldn't get it off". This statement is telling- it alludes first to a hard training regimen where Bothas weakness was worked on. Secondly, it alludes to the almost apologetic nature with which Botha explained the difficulties he had in the Briggs fight. Botha trained at 7200 feet for that fight. If Peter comes in at under 240, and has a similar camp behind him, then this is a dangerous fight.

Of course, the flip-side of this is that for their first meeting, Peter was undefeated, fresh and already relatively slim at 243, and Wladimir, the dead-man walking, was shot of confidence and his relationship with Steward was in it's nascent embryonic stages.

Which brings us back to Steward.

Steward handled Wlad masterfully in that first fight. He spoke to Wlad at times like Wlad was a small child. "He's tired now....boxing beautifully now.....he's only get tireder....bip-bip-bip, bip-bip-bip"

Interestingly, Steward sent Wlad out to "bip-bip-bip" the 12th round away. But Wlad went out swinging left hooks.

Against Ibragimov, Thompson and Chambers, Steward suddenly found himself instructing Wlad to go for knockouts.

And just what is this talk of a stoppage win? Sanchez is correct. This talk of a stoppage is unseemly and, IMHO, out of character. 2 out of 3 of Wlad's losses took place on European soil on nights when he badly underestimated his respective opponent.

I never liked Manny for the reasons outlined above. The man seems to slide effortlessly from trainer to manager when he really ought not.

My advice to Wlad is to go out and do exactly what he did the first time. Pump the jab, drop in the right, and lean on Peter. You would imagine, Germany being what it is, of course, that Wlad could get away with at least as much holding as he did the first time and could, see to it, that Peter get's penalized for hitting behind th head.

I noticed that when Vitali fought Peters the Italian referee was very quick to instruct both fighters to "no rabbita puncha no kiddaney puncha"

If I am Wlad, then bip-bip-bip is my MO come Saturday.

 

No he didn't. He edged a close fight in which both men came close to losing on more than one occasion.

Eventually, Rahman's slightly better conditioning got him the win.

Sanders was stopped, on his feet, with the ear-muffs on. He then casually walked back to his corner.

When Vitali fought Sanders, Sanders had to be HELPED back to his corner, his face was a mess, his cheekbones had been punched in, and he needed to be sluiced off and tended to like a car-wreck victim. That's being shit on.

For fucks sake Sly, at least TRY and keep it real........

 

I disagree, I don't think there is much of a difference between the four of them (Brewster, Rahman, Sanders, and McCall) as far as quality goes.

Wlad will soon have 60 wins with over 50 coming by way of KO. He is certainaly comparable to Lewis.

 

No. He isn't.

 

I was exaggerating.

Rahman is historically greater than both Klitschko's, however. That is until either of them beat a great or even very good fighter.

 

Your. Opinion.

 

The flying fuck he is! Whether Brewster, Rahman, Sanders and McCall are comparable is moot. Fact is Lennox Lewis has a win over everyone he fought. Wlad never even gave a thought to rematching Sanders and there's nobody I can think of who would have figured a rematch would have went any different. Wlad had absolutely no answer for Sanders punches and he went down in a pathetically defeated heap.

WTF has Wlad done to earn himself being considered comparable to Lewis? A defeat over Peter?

 

Saying Wlad is not comparable to one of the greatest heavyweights ever is not an opinion. How dare you.

 

You know....as pre-fight threads go, this is one of the worst. All I see is a routine collection of dudes, who, and they have their reasons I'm sure, have decided to spend their time bitching about Klitschko and hoping that he loses instead of trying to break the fight down in an intelligent, intelligible fashion.

This is a close fight between two guys who are closely matched thanks to each others shortcomings.

Their last fight saw both men come within one or two clean blows of a stoppage victory.

Sam Peter has taken some, but not much, punishment since, and claims to be coming off a great training camp with an acknowledged trainer and also has his weight under control and promotional issues out of the way.

Wladimir on the other hand is acting like a homecoming Queen and Manny is talking shite about Wlad getting his man out of there this time. :dunno:

If you have a beef with the choice of opponent, you shouldn't. If you want to persist, then please note that Wlad was at least trying to sign to fight Povetkin in the first hand.

 

And how does Ross the Boss compare to McCall and Rahman?

 

The last time I saw Peter he was being dominated by Eddie Chambers. This is a terrible, terrible match-up.

 

Wladimir never rematch Sanders(let his brother do the fighting for him like a lil bitch)....and waited 2-3 years till Brewster eyes were all fucked up to rematch him....

 

You seem to have an irrational hatred for the man. Is this what you call a pre-fight thread? Hanzy would be proud of this shit.

Did Lewis rematch Frank Bruno or Ray Mercer? Did Oscar rematch Tito, or Quartey? Did Haye rematch Thompson?

Come on. At least act with some modicum of magnanimity.