If Lewis/Vitaly fight wasn't stopped. Who would have won ?

Well ?

 

Lewis would have stopped him late.

 

Since Vitali has shown the ability to fight at good pace to the late rounds while Lewis at that point probably lacked stamina, I'd pick Vitali. This of course assuming that Lewis' laces would have never ripped Vitali's eye, since with that injury Vitali would never have won

 

It's a moot point. The reality is that people need to acknowledge that anything is possible.....fights flux constantly, ebb and flow. Stop it at the ebb and you miss the flow.

 

Difficult to tell. On the one hand Lewis was clearly badly out of shape and blowing hard. It's very possible you would have wilted, or just continued to get 'outworked' or at least continue to appear to get outworked (I had it even, due to the far better quality of Lewis' work). On the other hand he was landing the harder shots through out and there's a fair chance that would start to have some effect. Anything might have happened.

Either way, I'd bet the house on a 245lb Lewis clearing up in a rematch. Vitali had the same chance Rahman did against an unmotivated, fat Lewis and couldn't take it.

 

The question is invalid...

It shoudl be "If Vitali wasn't CUT..who would have won?".

With the cut being that bad, that early..chances are Lewis would always have won.

If Vitali isn't cut..we have a different fight..and in the fight I was watching..the momentum was with him befor eth cut got so bad which spurred Lewis back into teh fight

 

Agreed.

IMO with cut Lennox, without Vitali.

 

Pretty much exactly as I saw it.

Lewis was obviously hideously out of shape and knackered and so a Vitali win was was very much possible. Yet he (Vitali) came out of the fight looking like he'd been hit by a train and was shipping a LOT of big shots.

For the record, this fight is perfect evidence of the nonsense that is 'Lewis had a shit chin'. Vitali hit an unmotivated, out-of-shape Lewis with the kitchen sink and couldn't shift him. People always forget this when it comes round to the perennial discussion about Lennox having a glass jaw.

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Jesus, if Vitali didn't knock Lennox out in the next round he would have either bled to death or been picking up half his face off Larry Merchants lap if they let it go the full 12 rounds. :notallthere:

 

Vitali was staggering aorund the ring like a fucking drunk before it was stopped

I hate this revisionist bullshit

 

I've said it before an I'll say it again- that cuts stoppage was the best thing that ever happened to Vitali.

He has since been able to claim that 'he would have won' (even though he hadn't budged Lewis when he'd HAMMERED into him in the earlier rounds) and his supporters have since been able to use the fight as proof that Vitali is some iron-chinned munster even though Lewis literally cleaved his face wide open and had IMHO weathered the early storm and was coming on stronger with much the cleaner, sharper punches.

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Agreed absolutely. History was been very kind to Vitali on that fight.

 

Yes. Not only did he get stopped on a cut, but he also got knocked out proper 2 rounds later. Very kind. All of this BS mimics the sentiments of a man who was afraid to go into Camden Town for fear of "gays"....Frank Maloney.

 

Two things though: the cut, although it is a legit way to win, was a pretty lucky one, since Lewis' fist actually missed Viali's face, the laces opened the cut.

Two, yes Vitali staggered in the sixth, but that does not mean he was ready to go. Lewis staggered too and he was able to come back. Who is to say Vitali couldn't have shaken it off and come back?


The truth is, nobody can tell for sure and everybody can turn it look the way they want to. In the end, Lewis was a bit lucky to win, Vitali gave him a great fight, and Lewis is an all-time great. Isn't that a pretty good compromise for everybody?

 

Lewis would have knocked him out cold. Do you guys even remember the 6th round? Vitali was finished.

Vitali's behavior in the ring afterwards was a disgrace.

 

That's how I looked at it. The natural addendum to it all of course is that Lewis refused a rematch. That's as telling as anything that MIGHT have happened in "the next round"....:shit:

 

Amazing isn't it. A Klitschko fights this weekend and all the revisionists and haters are out in force, like faggots on Gay Pride weekend, or fancy ladies at Ascot. Like a national fucking holiday.....Klitschko has a fight, and all the freaks come out to make their opinions known.

Of course, they don't care about this fight....but...they want you to know they don't care.

 

Vitali's eyelid was getting pretty close to coming off. Watching his cornerman smear it back into place was pretty gruesome from what I remember. Another few bombs would have possibly sheared it off completely, ending his career. Vitali was cut because Lewis was landing hard shots. Vitali gave a great accounting of himself, but his face couldn't hold up to the punishment.

In other words, Vitali's will might have held up, but his face wouldn't have. The ref would stop it sooner or later, but if it were stopped too late, his career could have been over. An eye infection could easily set in or his eyelid could have been torn right off, and he'd have been blinded or his eyelid permanently maimed.

 

I actually think Lewis' reaction time was the main culprit when he was knocked out or hurt (like against Bruno). Vitali is not a really fast puncher and neither is Ray Mercer. Lennox saw those shots coming, and he could roll with the impact and take some of the steam off the blows.

With Rahman and McCall, both shots were pretty damn fast and Lewis had no chance to roll with them or even anticipate them.

 

So when a fight is stopped on his behalf, it's good, but when he stops a fight on his own behalf, it's quitting?:dunno:

PS I am fairly OK with the stoppage etc.

What I am not OK with is the confabulations that come out of the fight to the effect that Lewis was going to do this and that and the other.

All we can settle for is what happened, not what could have/would have/should have etc....

 

What the fuck are you taking about? Someone started a thread about a fight which happened several years ago and it is being discussed. The fact that the discussion isn't going in your favour apparently makes people 'faggots' and 'freaks', huh?

Thats nice...

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Yep. Lewis was also clowning when Rahman hit him. Then the referee counted to 10 and stopped the fight.:laugh11:

 

I never called anyone here a faggot.......:nono:

I called them freaks, alright.

This discussion sprang out of the original "WIll Wlad Stop Peter" thread.

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That's a long way of saying that the two shots which iced Lewis (and one of them was premature anyway IMHO) were the kind of hail mary, blind shots which would have hurt practically anyone...

...which has always been my point

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If Memory Serves, the Latter Portion of Round 6 was Vitali's WORST Moment of the Entire Fight & Lennox's BEST Moment....The Tide had CLEARLY SHIFTED by the End of Lewis-Klit...Sure, Klit had his Moments, but he Never even DROPPED Lennox...

Lennox was Absorbing Klit's Shots BETTER, as the Fight Wore On...Conversely, Klit was Looking Worse & WORSE, Everytime Lennox Touched him...

Had the Fight Continued PAST the 6th Round, Lennox Lewis Would've STOPPED Vitali Klitschko...


REED:hammert:

 

Revisionists?

And what does this thread have to do with the totally unimportant Wlad/Peter fight this weekend?

 

Nah, Rahman was basically setting that shot up, and was allowed as Lewis was clowning and acting the moron.

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It originated out of that thread. If you had read said "unimportant" thread, you would observe that.

Unimportant threads giving rise to important ones.

Welcome to FB, on "Klitschko Weekend".:TLC::TLC:

 

The point is, though, was that Vitali was legitimately stopped because his face was covered in vagina's caused by punches.

Lest we forget:



In many respects what Lewis was or wasn't goig to do is rendered academic by what he actually did...

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Revsionist bullshit

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