Wlad resume vs Lewis resume

Tua has a severe allergy to any movement. I consider him so over-rated it isn't funny. He's always the hottest thing in the world when he knocks out a fighter sitting in front of him --- of which, he's had plenty. Most dangerous thing on two feet after every such fight...until someone actually moves. Byrd completely befuddled him. Tua couldn't hit the guy, couldn't apply pressure, couldn't cut down the ring & therefore, could not win. He has the power to KO Byrd, but not the ability to get in-position to do so.

Big brother was comprehensively winning his fight. It was a terrible injury he suffered (& I am the first to his defense for calling it --- anyone highly critical of him needs to suffer a torn rotator cuff before saying another word). The fight was an anomoly, with a fluke of an ending. It was nothing if not inconclusive.

Holyfield was a hundred years old, & never a puncher of truly great repute to begin with. It's a non-event.

 

Okay then that was my mistake.

What I am saying is that a combination of Evanders bad nights, and Wlad's own natural skill, size and power, COULD combine to deal Holyfield a serious blow.

Remember how bad he looked against a guy with a fraction of the power, athleticism and speed of Wlad, Mike Moorer.

After the fight they thought he had a hole in his heart. He looked.....terrible. He looked terrible, atrocious...in the fifth round against Lewis, dragging his knee off the floor even to try and protect his body, a most primitive of moves derived from sheer instinct as much as anything else. He seemed almost dehumanized by one right to the temple.

The way Wlad used to open up when he was younger...thrown in with that version of Holyfield...who knows.

Or John Ruiz, who had him hanging on for dear life with just one big right hand. Granted, that was post-Lewis, but I make the point regardless.

There is a world of difference between Ruiz and Klitschko in terms of power, speed, accuracy and acumen.

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Yeah, I can't see Holy being in trouble. Ever.ld:

 

Huh? Holyfield included with Tua and Vitali for punching power??

 

What kind of a victory are you looking for here, Irish? That Klitschko might score a stoppage on Holyfield's worst night, or on a night when he was years & years past his best? That's how it feels.

 

I agree.

 

Holyfield was included as a guy who couldn't beat Byrd.

 

It was a completely done Holyfield, though. Why bother, if the guy is shot at the time? I mean, Holyfield wasn't even near his prime when he fought Byrd.

 

You mean the way he "opened up" against a guy like Brewster?

If we're cherry-picking their worst nights, I mean.

Or are we blaming that one on Manny's corner instructions?

 

It was in 2002, in the fight immediately after his stoppage of Rahman.:dunno: Past his best, sure. Completely done? Nah.

 

Cherry-Picking is too strong a phrase and is frivolous into the bargain. I merely suggested it was not beyond the realm of possibility that Wlad could do Holyfield, based not on Wlads offensive arsenal alone but when coupled with the more than fleeting vulnerability Holyfield has demonstrated throughout his career, prime and otherwise.

This appears to have caused grave and incalculable offense to all and sundry.

 

You're not much of a contrarian if at the first sign of resistance you're gonna always fall back on bullshit claims of jingoism, americentrism, anti-Europeanism, or whatever else you want to call it.

But I get it...the younger version of Wlad just means that period of time after Purrity and before Sanders and Brewster, right?

That's the sweet spot you're talking about.

 

:scratcher:

I mean, tell you what pal, I'll deal the cards and you just scream "GIN!" whenever the fuck it suits you, OK?

I'm not questioning your racial beliefs, merely your ability to READ.

 

Did he have surgery on his shoulder after the fight or not?

 

Who? Holyfield? Don't know. I know Rahman had surgery on his head.

 

It's true I don't spend much time reading your bullshit...a skim or a glance is about all it takes to see your agenda.

 

Really. What's my agenda in this thread?

 

The same one you have in just about every Klitschko thread.

 

Really? What's that?

I posited a basic belief in this thread that Holyfield has displayed vulnerability in his career, and that Wlad might have the offensive tools to take advantage of those vulnerabilities.

Your response to this?

 

So you only acknowledge injuries if the fighter quits?

 

My response is only one of those fighter's has shown vulnerability?

 

No. I didn't know if he was injured or not. If Holyfield beat Rahman with a shoulder injury then kudos for him.

 

Holyfield has never shown vulnerability? Wlad has. Holyfield has too.

 

Only today?
:stir:

 

I have no real beef with trite jocularity but it should be accompanied by comment which goes beyond the above. It is............unfortunate that nobody wants to engage in a discussion which involves both of those criteria instead of just one.

 

Not enough time on my hands. Sorry.:egypt:

 

No, but time enough on your hands to indulge in one half of the deal. :blackcloud:

 

You can't fault me though, I chose the better half.:bears:

 

I can fault you, but I won't. If that's your level, then......:dunno:

 

Ah come on... :crying:

 

True.

I pity the person that seriously attempts to debate Irish on anything...at least on the GD board.

Like I said to someone else earlier, just do this :bangh: a few times and call it a day.

It's one thing to have a contrary opinion, it's another thing to have contrary facts.