If Lewis/Vitaly fight wasn't stopped. Who would have won ?

Crip walking? Nah, Vitali took that one well. Think he was just tired, as was Lennox, which is why he basically fell onto his stool.

 

Lewis' bad chin reputation comes from two huge, perfectly timed shots from two heavy handed heavyweights. He wasn't Tyson-chinned, but he wasn't Michael Grant-chinned either.

 

I've been pointing that out for years, the shot Lewis landed that buckled Vitali with 20-odd seconds left in the fight.

Lewis was old, inactive and out of shape, but still had enough to beat that clown. I'm glad Lewis didn't give him a rematch, considering Vitali's antics in the ring after the fight.

FACT - Vitali is 0-2 against the two best fighters he's fought.

FACT - Wlad is a paper chinned nancy who fights like a girl. When he used to try and fight like a man, he was stopped by anyone who would throw back.

Conclusion - the Klitschko's suck.

 

I think everyone concedes that Lewis' chin is good. Those knockout losses were aberrations.

 

Let it all hang out Steve, let it all hang out. :Wah::Wah:

Why don't you write an official article to this effect, put your name and face to it and ask Buddy to run it on the front-page of the website?

 

I keep my opinions out of my journalism. I prefer reporting to commentary, professionaly. Besides, Fightbeat can't afford me.

But it would be a great read if I decided to do it.

 

I'll bet you keep your opinions out of other peoples journalism too.:scared:

 

Not at all.

Still, nothing I said about Wlad or Vitali in the post above is false.

 

Who wins tonights fight?
Wlad or Peter?

 

Wlad via Peter not trying.

 

Oh. Now that is some prospective undermining right there.

 

Ok, fine.

Wlad via Peter not being good at boxing.

 

Take it to the PreDICKtion thread....stop spamming this thread. This is a "We Never Thought We Would Need Lewis As Much As We Do Now" thread.

 

Hey, you asked me man. I'm just answering your questions.

 

Well to be fair Peter does have that David Tua thing going on. Solid chin, but not willing to absorb the punishment to go further. Very easily discouraged. He can't outbox Wlad, his only chance is to go for a knockout. Unfortunately for him he seems to just hope to land a big one rather than actually working for it.

 

But back on topic.

Can you guys imagine what a younger Lewis would have done to Vitali? I wonder if it would have been career ending for the big Ukranian. I mean, an old Lewis almost cost Klitschko one of his eyes. I shudder to think what would have happened had Lewis been years younger.

 

Yep. You're a veritable bastion of goodwill and cooperation.:laugh11:

 

Peter lost every second of every round against Eddie Chambers last year on Friday Night Fights.

 

No he didn't. Not even close. He lost a MD over 10 rounds and the wide-scoring in favour of Chambers was criticized by even Teddy Atlas.

 

Did you see the fight? Chambers beat him quite easily. I watched it live.

 

I watched it on youtube lastnight in full.

Chambers beat him handily, sure. Not widely, or even unanimously, but clearly and handily.

But Peter did not lose "every second of every round"

 

I don't think it's that cut and dry. Sure Lewis was past it and out of shape but Vitali provides not only the size, but a style that's not easy to deal with.

Don't get me wrong, i'd still favor Lewis big as there is absolutely no reason to think otherwise. I just don't see it as one sided destruction regardless of age.

 

The other thing too is that people act as if Vitali was at the top of both his physical and mental game, that very night. I would argue otherwise, but that's just me.

 

Bitch please, I didn't pull anything outta my ass. This comes from actually watching the fights. I talked about distancing, timing, and speed as well as Lewis' ability to roll with the punch. In both instances where he got KO'd, he didn't see the punch landing.

Sounds like you're pulling this one out of your ass. Lewis was usually on his pitcher's mound and able to see shots coming like Vitali does. His reaction time slowed somewhat after he fought Ruddock. Against Ruddock, he was lighter and moved faster---including being able to move in and out.

Take a look at the KO punch Rahman landed. Lewis was trying to move back and roll with it, but he was caught on the ropes and Rahman got in before Lewis could slide off. Rahman landed it flush on the jaw and Lewis had nowhere to go. With the McCall punch, he got countered perfectly while in the middle of trying to land his own punch. After the McCall bout, he started to fight more cautiously and methodically.

 

Yes...I don't know about the rest of your post but I would agree with this. After Lewis floored Ruddock, he actually ran to a neutral corner. I remember thinking he ran really fast and easily for such a big dude. I don't think we saw him that fleet ever again.

 

Bitch hunh?

Obviously Lewis didn't see those shots coming, I'm not disputing that. What I am disputing is that Lewis is able to take shots because he rolls with everyone of them as opposed to having a good chin, that is what I'm disputing that is something that I think was pulled out of your ass unless you're going to tell me you've noticed Lewis roll with every big shot he's taken.

 

Yeah, keep in mind that Lewis was about 20 pounds lighter than the one who fought through most of the 90s and into the 21st century.

 

What if Hanz was unbanned?

 

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What was his best night, then?

 

Good question.

Pretty much either of the three fights with Williams, Sanders or Johnson.

It's a subtle concept....but it was noticeable with Lewis in his time and it is explicitly obvious with Wladimir post Peter I {2005}

There is a test, a line, a fight, which if a man passes {not necessarily wins}....that makes him. If he fails, it breaks him and renders null and void all that he has done beforehand.

For Wlad, it was Peter. Since winning, he has gone up and up.

For Lewis, it was negotiating the Holyfield series. Lewis oozed confidence and menace after that, and turned in the three best performances of his career, IMHO, immediately after. The defusing of Tua, the destruction of Grant and the rout of Botha. It wasn't just the wins it was the cool and easy manner in which he went about his business. Finally getting Holyfield out of the way allowed him to loosen up. Of course he loosened up too much and got beat by Rahman but he just went back to work, beating Rahman, Tyson, Vitali. Had he lost to Holyfield....not gotten the decision second time out....who knows. He might have faded away.

A man can be in peak physical condition and it makes no real odds. It has been said that the game is 90% mental and only 10% physical.

After the Lewis fight, Vitali had thrown off the stench of Byrd, once and for all. He worked the crowd when the fight was stopped and for the first time in his career he got what Lewis had gotten when he beat Holyfield: the approval of a hitherto hostile audience. That must have been a seminal moment for him, in not just his boxing career but his life.

His next three performances were the best of his career. He went to Madison Square Garden and beat the shit out of Johnson as if he always beat people up at Madison Square Garden. The he beat Sanders against the backdrop of the loss of his brother to Brewster, a night when the "family name was out the window" if he lost. The magnitude of the occasion would have wilted lesser men. Williams beat Tyson but Klitschko made it look, again, as if MSG was his home arena. Williams never got into it and Vitali looked every inch the dominant champ. Even Roy Jones said he had been impressed. This is all a far far cry from the build-up to Lewis, when he had been planning to fight Cedric "Not the Entertainer" Boswell.

I believe if he had a rematch with Lewis 1 year on that he could have won. I believe it because the fight with Lewis was in terms of ocassion, stage, and the talent of the opponent, a step up for him. On all levels. But a man get's used to that if he has had enough of it for long enough. Lewis was alien territory, but Vitali warmed to it and if he doesn't get cut again then he is only going to grow in confidence.

One year on Lewis would have been one year older and Vitali was just coming into his own....let's face it, it is not such a huge stretch of the imagination.