Klitschko vs Peter Predictions......

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ElTerrible, BroadwayJoe and a couple of others back to waiting line

 

Couldn't agree more mate. The fucking annoying thing is that it really is impossible to know for sure whether Wlad is dominating because this division is just sooooooo shit or, on the other hand, it is because he is making everyone else look shit because he is so good.

I suspect it's the former though I know at least one poster who would pick the latter...

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Watching that shite had me thing Irish- would you agree, honestly, that had Wlad beaten, say, Frank Bruno, that it would have ranked as a better win than any of the fifty-odd he has racked up?

I'm not saying he wouldn't beat Bruno, you understand, but it merely occured to me that even absolute shite from fifteen years ago like china-chin himself would have started a pretty warm favourite in my book to beat the plethora of sloths Wlad has beaten in his career.

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Bruno was an astronomically better fighter than Sam Peter, IMO. Bruno would give Wlad allot of problems.

 

That's how I see it too. And that is the kind of problem I have with watching Wlad. Yes, he looks impressive in teeing off without reply on these feckless bastards, but through no fault of his own there is absolutely fuck all out there to test his credentials in any serious way. Even title contenders like Ruddock, Bruno and McCall, to name but three, from the last (reasonably weak IMHO) HW era would be stand out wins against the huge raft of wins Wlad is easily accumulating.

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All three are much better than anyone either Klit has beaten. It's all just a bit depressing.

Haye-Wlad has to be made. It just has to. 7 years since the last remotely meaningful heavyweight fight is just far too long.

That said, all this is a bit unfair tonight. Wlad fought well. In the 2nd he fought genuinely brilliantly and it was great to watch. :bears:

 

I think Chagaev and Ibragimov were good opponents, they were probably in the same class as Bruno or McCall, problem is they were made for Wlad because of their lack of size and power.

 

Yeah, those two, Chambers & Byrd were perfectly respectable opponents. All very small and feather fisted, unfortunately for our purposes (of seeing interesting, competitive, historically informative fights that is).

 

I think between you, you pair have answered the question, with tonights fight throwing in the remaining part of the answer.

What I am about to say alludes also to what I said about Vitali on the night he fought Lewis.

The Wladimir you see before you is now 34, in his prime, and much improved from the supposedly more "entertaining and better" guy who bowled over some very decent names in his fragile younger days.

We just don't know because it appears, at this point in time...that the guy is getting better and better.

That doesn't mean he is any good, of course. But we don't know where his high water mark is. I would suggest his peak, as we know it, is now, and not when he was bowling McCline, Botha and Mercer over.

We just know he has established a tremendous rapport with his current trainer and is looking very very established. Haye will probably go on the tele and do the old "jab and grab" routine but that is become jaded now. Wlad's last three victims took serious hidings, never landed a shot in anger and barely won a round between them. And it was a decent spread of fighter, a small mobile guy, a slightly bigger mobile guy, and a block shithouse who moved accordingly.

Basically....it seems it is going to take something either very special or near-perfect to beat Wlad. For all of his supposed shortcomings it is going to take a massive bomb or the perfect fighter to beat him.

Frank does have some good wins. But they seemed to be of the shit-or-bust approach. Like Wlad in his youth. Even in the McCall fight the crowd seemed to will him over the line, at Wembley I believe, and he displayed facial damage. That was Wlad like 5 years ago, only worse. And we don't know what the chemical content of McCalls bloodstream was that night. He seemed every bit the nutter.

He did seem to plateau also, to the stage where you knew what he had and what he didn't have. Did he show any real improvement at any stage in his career? Or did he just win some and lose some? I would argue the latter.

Klitschko, who was already a decent knuckleman in 2005, and took Peter's 0, has gotten better and now seems to have what he lacked all those years- poise, control, and an almost olfactory sense of when things have changed ultimately in his favour. He was also bigger and harder hitting than Bruno and certainly moved better.

You know....I have to be honest, Frank fought scared a lot too. I can see Sam bulling him into the ropes and Frank just losing it psychologically.

The equalizer is the chin. It's a punchers division and only one shot changes it. Bruno certainly had at least a moderate dig and a semi-decent jab.

 

Yes...but their solid ammy backgrounds means they should have been able to get inside and land.

This guy doesn't allow that to happen.

Hitting Klitschko is like biting an apple that is bobbing up-and-down in a bucket of water.

You need to force him to the ropes, pin him there, and bite away.

Hard to do that when one of his genuinely world-class traits, any era, any time, his jab, is in your face.

 

I think Sam-Wlad I was a significant fight. If Wlad lost he would have, IMHO, retired and the division would have been without both of it's two best fighters for the next few years. Of course the Yanks probably would have been just dandy with this.

 

http://www.eunova.de/

 

"Eunova Side Effects: intentional self-injury, suicidal ideation"
What is this shit?

 

I don't know but it's perturbing to say the least.

I do know that vitamin overdose can kill.

Just seeing them pose with packets of pill is........disconcerting.

 

You lot are funny. Voting on the result AFTER the fight has ended.

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Wlad is really looking like a very bad imitation of Lennox Lewis these days.
He's clearly been working on the uppercut & the "shock & lock" technique. His conditioning still doesn't look great.

 

While this may be true..............I didn't see anything in the Peter fight which would support it.

He was never short of puff in this fight and the uppercut was coming off quite well. He basically punctuated the fight with the uppercut and a hook.

 

It will take some kind of fighter to knock either brother off.

Both are open for the right hand over the jab, and the follow up hook to the body, but these guys do not know how to execute it.

Karl

 

Like Corrie Sanders?

 

Sanders was 1-1 with the brothers. And he is retired. So.....no.

 

I'm sounding like a Klitschko detractor in this thread I suspect.
I'm not. I think that they are two of the best ""bigger" HWY's ever. However I was just pointing out that Wlad has been comprehensively dominated by an old Sanders who I don't think qualifies as "some kind of fighter" in the sense intended.
I take the point, though. I can't see either guy getting knocked off of their perch by the current crop.
I do have reservations about Wlad though regarding his conditioning & toughness.

 

No, I am cool with most of what you are suggesting. Wlad is never going to be one of the toughest guys of all time but he is tough enough and has the physical tools and the skills to make other guys think about how tough they are more than they make him think about how tough he is.

 

Klitschko calls Haye a "Loser" and a "Little Dog That Keeps Running Away".

I mean.....That's Karrizmerr, that is.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_6372120,00.html

 

Sounds like this one followed the script.

 

Boo Fucking Hoo. If you knew the script then you should have weighed in with a solid opinion. Your script was that Peter lost for want of trying or quit. He did no such thing. Christ you are an even bigger cynic than I am.

 

You think my pre-fight opinions weren't real?

Peter tried to win?

Did he look like a competent fighter to you?

 

Has he ever looked competent?

 

I think your pre-fight opinions were real. They just bore no resemblance to what happened.

Did Peter try to win? Of course. He manfully tried right up to the last minute.

Did he look competent? Not as competent as the last time. But who has looked competent against Wlad since their first fight?

 

He has always looked brutish and powerful. Sufficiently brutish and sufficiently powerful for so-called experts to pick him to do Wlad the first time.