They showed Margarito/Kamau from 2000. Kamau was doing pretty well in the first round, but Margarito begain running him over in the second and stopped him, all the time Teddy declaring, "Margarito's not known as a big banger." Anyways, point is, it sure's hell looked like Margarito was loaded up for that fight. I think the full spectrum of advantages gained from loaded gloves is not fully understood by many. There's at least three very important ones: 1. Fighter can hit harder - it's obvious, with extra tape, plaster, etc. a fighter can literally hit his opponent with a weapon 2. Fighter can save energy without sacrificing punching power. Fighter doesn't need to throw as hard to inflict the same damage 3. Fighter can punch through guard easier - this one gets overlooked often. See Trinidad/Reid or Trinidad/Thiam, or even Trinidad/ODH in which ODH, for the first and last time in his career, found his parrying ineffective and had to resort to using his legs. Notice also the success Tito had throwing through Reid's guard that was completely ineffective against Wright's guard. Or, see Margarito/Kamau or Margarito/Cotto, in which attempts to block shots were ineffective, with the weight of the punches blasting through the guard - a guard that's been tuned for years to deal with legally weighted shots, and cannot adjust to the weight (and speed) of foreign objects.
Wright was a bigger opponent than Reid, Winky is actually pretty strong. DLH resorted to running because he never fought a big puncher like Trinidad before.
You always got to bring Trinidad up...NOTHING was FOUND in Trinidad wraps, all you had was Bouie Fisher/Richardson saying Trinidad had to much gauze and tape....and the boxing commission made him re-wrap it... Felix Trinidad was a natural power puncher...unlike Margarito who started out 21-3 (10 KO's)...only 10 ko's...but after 1999 he has won his fights either by KO or TKO except for 1 or 2 fights...
So now we're using chinny David Kamau as proof that Margarito loaded up even way back then?! I actually remember seeing that fight live on ESPN2 when it happened way back when and also w/ Antonio Diaz on the card, either right before or right after kicking Ivan Robinson's ass. That was the first time I really remember seeing Margarito fight and became a fan of his after that night (again, though, not that Kamau was ever any great shakes)
Well regardless of how everyone cut up Double L's well done theory I give him props for this thread. It was well done and straight to the point for once. Good job DL.
Wasn't it Julio Diaz? Or was it both? As I recall, it was Julio Diaz, Margarito, Martin Castillo and Pavlik's pro debut.
And Hercules Kyvelos too...whose face started to swell almost immediately. I mean, either these guys were total total bums or Margarito is much better than he get's credit for....
So what are you suggesting? That Margarito was caught the one and only time he decided to cheat and use plaster?
It was definitely Antonio Diaz. You might be right about Castillo and Pavlik, but the two Antonios on that card is what always stuck out to me - that and it was a big televised weekend for Top Rank. This card took place on the eve of Shane-DLH I, and then JLC fought Stevie Johnston on Saturday afternoon in what - to my knowledge - was the last ever live boxing card aired on ABC.
Same A.Diaz that subsequently fought Shane and Mickey Ward? There was an Antonio Diaz who beat Mickey Ward in 2000 over 10 and then lost to Mosley by stoppage when Mosley was WBC champ. IIRC
yep that one. this fight was before then, but i forget if before or after he beat Ivan Robinson (which I believe was on HBO)
What about the Lujan fight? That looks more like the work of loaded gloves to me. I've never before or since seen a dude get his ear nearly ripped off his head by punches.
Cheers. That Diaz career petered out in a hurry after the Mosley fight. He also looked a bit facially like Angulo. :laugh11: PS I agree with the point raised about the Lajuan ear injury. I don't want to retrospectively find things wrong with fights but it does seem that for slow, stiff puncher, Margarito appears to have cut and bludgeoned quite a few guys quite badly. From Cotto "crying blood" to Lajuans ear, to Kyevelos face coming out like a balloon, it does seem there is a lot to be curious about. And then there is the fact he was caught with wraps and couldn't hurt an old tired former lightweight.:scratcher:
They probably both fought on the card. I'm not disputing that... but I do know for a fact that Antonio Diaz fought that night. He fought Omar Weis.
