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Its the K1 tourny. He needed to beat this guy to advance in the tourny later in the year. Where you have to fight like three times in one night. He will get Knocked out by again.
Overeem will do very well in the tourney imo. Spong is too small and chinny for him, Aerts he already butchered, Mo only got a puncher chance ( thought with Overeem glass chin, it may be all he needs ). Ghyata, Saki and Kyotora he should be favored to beat. The only one I'd pîck to beat him is Schilt
Overeem is susceptible to KOs, but I wouldn't consider is chin to be glass. For that matter, everyone in K1 has a glass chin.
Why did they get rid of the two-handed Thai clinch? They stole one of Overeem's greatest weapons with that.
Because it is a tournament, certain fighters place higher and certain ones place lower. Getting KO'd in your first bout is not seen as doing well, but making it to the finals would definitely be seen as doing well---particularly since you had to qualify by fighting and winning at least 2 other bouts. Schilt looked a bit off to me. Also, JLB quit and he shouldn't have even if he disagreed with the judges. That was a shame because he's usually quite game.
I agree that in the final analysis there is only one winner, but I think many remember second place if the struggle is valiant. Many times the second place person brings out the best or worst in the first place person. Fischer vs Spassky Hagler-Hearns Leonard-Hearns Hearns-Duran Kasparov vs Deep Blue Corrales-Castillo Deep Blue vs Kasparov Ben Johnson vs Carl Lewis Urine Test vs Ben Johnson Gatti-Ward 1, 2, and 3. Bowe vs Holyfield 1 Ali-Frazier 1, 2, and 3. Sakuraba-Royce Gracie 1 GSP vs Hughes 1, 2, and 3. Just a few examples off the top of my head. Heck, in boxing you usually remember both.
I will say though that I forget who Schilt fought in the opening round. Usually you remember the final or even a memorable semi-final, but you usually forget who the tournament favorites steamrolled in the opening rounds unless it was quite ugly like Overeem kneeing Teixeira's face in.
Yes that was schilt's tourny. He won it. You think Hari went back to the dressing room and thought he did well?
You said nobody remembers second place. :dunno: Do I think Hari felt he did well when he had just lost to Schilt? Probably not that night. He probably felt pretty good when he knocked out Schilt to win the Showtime heavyweight title. When he had a chance to cool down and think about it, he probably felt good about beating the people he beat in last year's tournament. Hari's known for being a bit of a hothead though, so maybe not.:dunno:
I cant belive i am even debating this. Obviously people remember Hari. The same people compete in this tourny every year. Thats not my point. My point is that it doesnt matter unless you win the tourny. THe goal is to win it. If you dont win it, nothing else matters. Second doesnt matter, third doesnt matter, etc. Hari knocked overeem the fuck out that tourny, but who cares? He didnt win the tourny.
Of course the goal is to win it. We obviously look at this with different takes. Winning the final is obviously really really important, but it's not everything. A person who places highly is going to be sought after for seminars, autograph sessions, sponsorships, gym openings, training videos, merchandise, etc. In other words---yes, winning is very important, but the top guys (semi-finalists and even quarter-finalists) stand to gain a lot even if they don't win the final. I disagree that nothing else matters. I think we're keying in on different things here.
I don't know their financial dealings, but I would bet those dealings would be positively influenced by finishing highly in the tournament even if the fighter doesn't win the final. They already had to win qualifiers just to get there. My belief is that the higher you place, the more money you likely stand to make overall. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe winning the final is the only thing. Maybe nothing else counts, but I doubt it.
