Are the Klitschko's good for boxing?

True. At least Wlad vs Sultan had a knockdown

 

Wlad vs. Sultan was a horrible fight. Horrible.

Wlad is boring - just admit it. And it's not like he's boring because he's so good, or so skilled. He's boring because he holds all the time and won't fight inside.

 

I can admit he can be called boring. It is up to other fighters to stop winning though

 

Why do "you" think he holds so much?

 

BECAUSE IT WINS HIM FIGHTS

 

ok. so without holding he couldn't win? and if so, why is that.

 

Without it it would be a lot harder for him because his infighting sucks but hey if he is allowed to do it how can you blame him ? IT WINS HIM FIGHTS !!!

 

his infighting sucks.....and? does his chin also suck? and his defense too? and his stamina? if so, what we have here is a guy who can jab, punch and hold. should someone with those skills alone be able to win so consistently? i argue, no, and that if the rules were enforced, and he wasn't allowed to hold, that he'd no longer be champion.

 

His chin is average I would say maybe a tad below average
His holding IS his defense

 

if the holding rule were enforced, Wlad would either be disqualified time and time again, or would lose fair and square. as it stands, he holds and keeps on holding. and fans suffer.

i don't know why you're so forgiving when it comes to holding. it's awful to watch, it doesn't show particular skill, and it's unfair to his opponents.

 

I hate holding but I can't blame him for doing it becasue boxing world doesn't enforce the no holding rule. I blame boxing for excessive holding not fighters.

 

They are good for boxing. The more talented fighters a division has, the better. That's a basic rule. The corollary is also true. The fewer talented divisions it has, the worse it becomes.
Anything else is an illusion. Imagine prime Clay/Ali beating the shit out of Walcott, Marciano, Moore, Patterson etc. People might well remember it as one of the worst divisions of all time. Take Clay/Ali out, and it is remembered as a legendary time. Who here thinks the 80's were better for the inclusion of or worse for the inclusion of.....Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson?
Who here would argue that the current division, minus the brothers, would make for a better division?

 

Stop Holding Me You Bitch. Fight Like A Real Man.

 

they fight Cautious on occasion.

 

When Wlad holds a guy, he squeezes so hard that the other guy get's swollen eyes and goes to sleep. He holds him so hard they need oxygen to bring the guy back around. He holds with such finesse that female judges fall over themselves and give him 10-8 rounds. He forces blood from the nasal passages of opponents by holding. In fact, he holds so fucking sexy that Jim Lampley accuses Harold Lederman of "nonsense".:dunno:

 

If You POSED This Many Questions or were even HALF as INQUISITIVE in Regards to YOUR OWN Favorites, U'd B MORE AWARE of their Shortcomings...

Nobody was LATER to the "Dela is an OPPORTUNIST" Party than YOU Were...NOBODY Thought HIGHER of the Scale Cheater Known as Jose Luis Castillo...YOU Rode Tito Trinidad's Bandwagon HARDER than just about Anybody, Up Until the Handwrap Fiasco, Pre-Bernard...

AND, YOU were a Certified Antonio Margarito NUTHUGGER UNTIL the Pre-Sugar Shane Relevations...If You Actually APPLIED the Same Level of EXPECTATIONS Upon Your FAVORITES as You Do Fighters like Wlad, Floyd, Roy Jones, etc., You'd See just How BIASED you Really Are....



REED:kidcool:

 

MOST Clinches R MUTUAL...If You Keep YOUR OWN Hands Busy, it's HARD for a Guy to CLINCH You....



REED:kidcool:

 

No, both makes terrible boring fights and it makes that the top 2 guy's won't fight each other with only David Haye or, less so, Valuev a remote threat. Sure, it may be good for boxing in Germany and Ukraine, but overall, I'd say it would bee better if they weren't there. The division would still be mediocre, but at least, there would be some compelling matchup. Now, every hw boxer seem to want to build a little streak, the safest way possible, in hope of cashing out vs one of the Klit who have basically cleaned out the division

 

You can clearly see how Wlad tries to reach for a clinch here. In fact he has clinched Peter's eye shut

 

WHO NESH TO CLINCH?

 

The biggest problem with heavyweight boxing today isn't that the Klits won't fight, IMO. It's that 95% of these fatalistic losers don't have the desire to train properly consistently. Imagine if Joe Frazier, Jimmy ellis, Oscar Bonavena, George Chuvulo, etc had all come into the ring at 240-260lb and >20% bodyfat? How good would 70s heavyweight boxing have been? How many good fights would we have seen?

Both Klits train impeccably each and every time, so they're both awwwwwright with me, no? More power to 'em.

 

No instead they came into the ring slow and stupid.

 

Whoa. Busting out the concrete proof that Wlad doesn't hold a lot.

 

Peter was the one initiating most of the holding in the last fight.

 

yeah i should be ashamed for not figuring out on my own that Margarito and Trinidad both were loading their gloves.

 

One still image isn't proof enough?

 

I'm afraid not. In fact, 100 of these wouldn't prove anything. The guy holds a lot. Anyone who disputes that or tries to minimize its significance is just crazy.

 

This.

It's not their fault but any situation where the two best fighter's in a division will NEVER fight and there no chance of them ever fighting is bad for the sport. They are bad for the sport imo.

 

That's right. If they retire it will be "good for the sport". :shit:

Was Mike Tyson bad for boxing when he paid Lewis step-aside cash???

Was Floyd Patterson bad for boxing when he allowed people to make their pro debut against him, when he {Floyd Patterson} was already Champ?

Was Rocky Marciano bad for boxing by not taking on Nino Valdes?

Was Lennox Lewis good for boxing when he sat on the title for 1 year and then retired?

It's a BS argument.

To make no mention of the fact that plainly and simply it is only in the very very recent past that both men have simultaneously posted claims, or had claims posted for them, of being the two best men in the division.

If the pillar supporting the claim that these guys are "bad for the sport" is fundamentally reliant on the brothers refusal to fight each other, then it must be the case that their being bad for the sport is a recent phenomenon, as opposed to being a long-established one.

And nobody goes from being good for the sport to being bad for the sport overnight, not even Margarito with his loaded gloves, nor LaMotta with his fixed fight, nor Tyson with his ear-biting, managed that.

 

None of this bluster actually covers the point in question. Two brothers who dominate a division can't fight and this deprives the sport of the definitive fight on which the sport thrives.

MTF