Vitali vs Foreman: Who had the better technique?

Vitali lost to Byrd, who lost to George, who lost to Chris "Hard Hittin'" Henry.

 

:doh::laughing:

 

Henry lost to Mack, who lost to some guy named Berrio, who lost to this guy. http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=15707&cat=boxer

 

Don't be a smart-ass. We're clearly interested in power as it pertains to knock-outs. Or, as you put it, 'effective' power.

Don't confuse the discussion with bull-shit about semantics.

 

Never said that. Not even close.

And how well does 2010 Lewis do with 2010 Briggs?

You are far too fond of the stink of your own breath mate.

 

Effective as in how?

Knocking man out without breaking his skin?

Or breaking the bones in his face without knocking him out?

I mean.....we need a definitions section here.opcorn:

 

How well would Vitali do with 2008 Chris Byrd?

2000 Vitali KO's 2008 Chris Byrd in 2 rounds.

2010 Vitali KO's 2008 Byrd in 0.2 rounds.

 

Foreman holds a win over a guy who would do about as well with Vitali as he did with Foreman.

I have been here before. It's not brick wall territory, it's more...Hadrian in it's nature.

 

Foreman beating a Frazier who had spent 6 weeks in hospital after the Ali fight, and Vitali losing on cuts to Lennox Lewis does, on this forum apparently, constitute some sort of a cut-and-dried case for Vitali never beating Joe Frazier.

Vitali Klitschko would stop Joe Frazier, make no mistake about it. It is one of the worst matchups in history.

When Lewis beat Vitaly, nothwithstanding Klitschkos total lack of preparation for that particular opponent, he did it because he could close both the size and talent gap right down to nothing, if not better.

Frazier starts at a horrific size disadvantage. That's just for openers. He is already 0.5 in terms of the matchup. Then there is the matter of his skills, which were largely basic to say the least. He had no real defence, everyone who fought him, hit him. Standers, Ali, Foreman, Manuel Ramos, little 185lb 6' Jerry Quarry, slow arse Bonavena....they all found him and hurt him or beat him in some way shape or form, one way or the other.

Vitali is no ballerina but he can throw 70 shots a round, can counter makes smaller guys miss, and has the power to discipline and keep Frazier on the back foot. He also has a chin.

This is a bad place for Frazier. He can't bully Vitali, he can't get close often enough, he burns energy trying to get close, he is outweighed by 50lbs and is being hit by a guy who can HIT at 250lbs. This is not Fatty Mathis Part Deux. He has to work to get past the jab and when he does there is an uppercut and a right hand for him. On styles alone, never mind the power and the innate resistance of Vitali, the guy is in trouble. Hell he couldn't even have it all his own way with Quarry who was one fraction of the conundrum that Vitali is.

But hey Lewis beat Vitali so I guess Marvin Root can too. :shit:

The notion that Joe Frazier is a step up in class akin to that of Lewis, even CLOSE to that of Lewis, is profound pugilistic ignorance.

 

2010 Lewis stops him in five or less.

This isn't about me, it's about you. You have a man crush, man. It's weird.

 

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Vitaly would've beaten Frazier

 

Before you accuse others of crushes, you could explain how you know what sort of condition Lewis is in, seeing as he ain't fought in 7 years. Maybe you are in a better, uh, position than most to explain how, uh, hard he hits these days.

 

No....he didn't beat Lewis so he can't beat Frazier...is how it works, brah...

 

You like Klitschko because he's white.

 

If Foreman was a better fighter he never would have found holes to get into against guys like Alex Stewart. Or Michael Moorer. Can you see a guy like Vitali hanging on against either? Or dropping round after round?

Tyson blew Stewart away in 1 round.

Foreman got his face kicked in and ended up winning a decision.

According to the logic being flaunted around here, that means Tyson hit harder than Foreman and also would have beaten Joe Frazier in 1 round. :shit:

 

I used to think you were a pretty bright guy, Irish.

 

And can fight. All night. That's right.

 

You used to think?

 

Too bad the other guy can never fight.

 

Yes. I always knew you were a disgusting racist and a bad person. But I thought you were a little brighter.

 

I am white. That's plenty bright.:hammert:

 

Vitali is better than Foreman because Foreman struggled with Alex Stewart. :bears:

 

Being smacked in the head will do that to you.

 

Who said that?

 

I don't fucking know. All I know is fighters can't be knock-art artists without a large degree of technique. And so when fighters tend to get knock-outs, I think it's safe to assume they do so in part through the use of good technique.

 

You did.

 

No I didn't. Go back and REED it again.:nono::nono:

 

If Foreman was a better fighter he never would have found holes to get into against guys like Alex Stewart. Or Michael Moorer. Can you see a guy like Vitali hanging on against either? Or dropping round after round?

 

You see. At no point did I say that Foreman was inferior to Vitali because he struggled with Alex Stewart. I said that if he was the better fighter of the pair that he would have never gotten into that state in the first place.

At no point did I say that difficulties of Foreman with Stewart made him inferior to Vitali. I said that Vitali not getting into the same mess is what makes Vitali better. There are two aspects to this.

1. Foreman having trouble.

2. Vitali not having trouble.

Now...would Vitali have got his face bashed by Stewart? Do you see him race into a lead, drop a guy twice with his OH SO VAUNTED FUCKING POWER and then get beaten into the ER over the next 10 rounds by a guy who lost in 1 to Tyson like AGES before?

Or plodded around after Moorer looking for a single big shot?